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Old 13th January 2012, 11:39   #11 (permalink)
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Many may not agree, but Turkish courts do not discriminate against foreigners....they have to abide by the law.
Those will be,in the main,those involved in the wholesale theft of property and monies from unsuspecting buyers who have been systematically robbed by builders,emlaks and lawyers in Turkey.This in my opinion has been aided and abetted by the Turkish justice system.
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Maisie, an Icra File is an file/injunction started at the Execution Office (Icra Dairesi) to retrieve debt.
I have heard of people going to jail for debt not paid.

The Icra Dairesi is basically the Bailiffs Office. This is where debts are put against Tapus, cars, any assets...sometimes resulting in the property or vehicle being auctioned.
Could this be what our solicitor wants money for? Or can this Icra be filed without a hefty fee? Reading between the lines of your reply, it sounds as though there has to be some sort of asset(s) before this Icra can be done.

Our solicitor is telling me that we cannot start legal action for collection of a debt against Huyesin Tavaci or his company without paying the court costs. I would assume that although we paid all the costs to start our case, as the decision was in our favour, then the court costs would have to be met by the loser. So, is our guy telling me that it is these costs that have to be paid? If so, surely we paid this at the start. This is going round in circles.

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This in my opinion has been aided and abetted by the Turkish justice system.
The requirement of Military Clearance plays a big factor in people not receiving Tapus....but mostly the paying up front for off-plan builds where the buyer (turk or foreign) is left wide open to any type of fraud.


Maisie, I can't give you 100% correct info at the minute as my boss is away until Tuesday..but I'll try and remember to ask him when he gets back.

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What about the papertrail where all the monies went to. There was a whole block of apartments behind mine in Hunter's Valley. Golden Crystal apartments and only two apartments got their tapus. There was a thread by John12 or John2 a couple of years back who knew all about many builds by this company and he had lost his. I will try and find the thread. Surely this can weight any defense, as all these tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of pounds have been salted away.
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Found it:

Crystal Homes Altinkum

post 20 states Hussein Tavaci on tapu.

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The requirement of Military Clearance plays a big factor in people not receiving Tapus....but mostly the paying up front for off-plan builds where the buyer (turk or foreign) is left wide open to any type of fraud.
Are you saying the military are also involved in these rip offs and I should have put them on the list.The whole system stinks of corruption and back handers it is time it was sorted.
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Are you saying the military are also involved in these rip offs and I should have put them on the list.The whole system stinks of corruption and back handers it is time it was sorted.
Of course I'm not...but it can be one of the factors to it happening. If this rule was abolished then foreigners would be able to complete a property sale in 1 day.
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Does anyone remember the story in the voice paper about Erdogan visiting the new marina for the open ceremony.
There were quite a few foreign protesters there to confront erdogan about the scams.One protester confronted Erdogan and said what are you going to do about our lost properties [something like that]Erdogan said in the lines of:l never knew of the scams here and didn't know nothing about it[Again,something like that]

Either he has been lieing about the scandals here in Altinkum because he was caught on the hop and didn't know what to say at the time as.Or he knows something about the criminal activities here and wish not to get involved or maybe they are involved and wish to keep it hidden behind closed doors.This has been going on for 2 decades now.They had loads of time to combat this criminalized activity.
Someone told me about someone that came from Turkey has an idea of what is going on.The Turkish authorities says it is acceptable to duped the foreigner's because they are sub human.lf that is the case,then the authorities did plan this to swindle the foreigner's right from the start.Look at the way the plan works
Foreigner buys from a corrupt emlak with over inflated prices.Foreigner complains about not receiving the tapu,H.C and high maintenance costs etc.Foreigner goes to solicitor and ask to pay out a huge price a lot more then the Turkish.The criminal plays on time with excuses to pay up and this cost more to the foreigner to pay out more to the solicitor.The courts then plays on emotions by changing the dates and the judge which costs more money to the foreigner in flights,court appearances and solicitors fee's.
And who wins in the end:The criminal,the solicitor,the justice system,and the emlak.Who losesf course it is the foreign buyer.Because it has all been planned.
l have never heard of a genuine victory over the criminals here.Even if a buyer wins in the courts usually means one thing.The buyer still hasn't got what he has paid for and the criminal never has the stolen assets frozen.lt has always been a victory for the criminals

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Yes Panther. I think we all know that many thousands of pounds have passed through this man's hands. However, he has very carefully hidden it from legal view, and therefore cannot be touched.

How can you force a person to pay out monies when he has nothing? My answer to this is that if a person cannot pay what a court has ordered them to pay - then they should be imprisoned until the money can be found. Possibly by members of the family suddenly "discovering" that they have this in their own bank accounts?

Cloud cuckoo land I am afraid.

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