Avoiding corrupt minds

[immac]

I agree Carol, but surely that is a reason to carry out more checks, not less. The experiences of people on this forum show that the tendency is not to do these checks in a country where they don't speak the language or understand the law.
Ian

[bobthenob]

All the checks should be done by the solicitor you employed him to do,the client shouldn't be burdened with the so many complicated issues of whether to check this or that.That's their job.lf they don't do the checks then they are not doing the job properly

[Guz1]

I confess to being one of those who left her commonsense on the plane at Izmir. Fortunately I ended up with a house although it has taken me years to find out exactly what I bought. Must thank TLF and the generosity of many of the members who have been willing to share their knowledge. All credit to Mushtaq for making it possible.

Immac, it is almost impossible to check everything and off-plan is a minefield all of its own. Just because so many of us acted irresponsibly when parting with our money it didn't give others the right to take advantage, and the legal system appears to work in favour of those who do take advantage of ignorant/innocent buyers.

[ceemac]

Originally Posted by Guz1

I confess to being one of those who left her commonsense on the plane at Izmir. Fortunately I ended up with a house although it has taken me years to find out exactly what I bought. Must thank TLF and the generosity of many of the members who have been willing to share their knowledge. All credit to Mushtaq for making it possible.

Immac, it is almost impossible to check everything and off-plan is a minefield all of its own. Just because so many of us acted irresponsibly when parting with our money it didn't give others the right to take advantage, and the legal system appears to work in favour of those who do take advantage of ignorant/innocent buyers.

I think that's a fair point - because you weren't thorough or experienced enough to cover every angle or ask every question, does/did not give so called 'professionals' in the property business the right to 'stitch you up'.

Even if you have supposedly covered all your bases, how the hell could you have factored in (in the early days at least), solicitors/lawyers who are at best unprofessional, unknowledgable, lazy buffoons, and at worst, bordering on the criminal.

I'm extremely knowledgable, cautious, and canny now, some 5 years after my purchase, thanks to my own, and others' experiences - at the same time, you always have that uneasy feeling at the back of your mind that, even when you're sure that you have everything sorted out, it could go pear shaped at any time as the result of some crazy new retrospective law they pass, or something similar.

On balance, I don't regret the fantastic experience I've had in discovering Turkey and it's 99.9% wonderful peoples, but I wouldn't buy property there again - sounds Irish that I know, but that's 'cos I am .

The fact is though, I am where I am at the moment, and I have some great folk looking after my interests there, so I prefer to drink out of the half-full glass, rather than the half-empty one.

When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because etc etc...(I've completely lost it now)

C

[carolk]

Originally Posted by immac

I agree Carol, but surely that is a reason to carry out more checks, not less. The experiences of people on this forum show that the tendency is not to do these checks in a country where they don't speak the language or understand the law.
Ian

Immac, it is our responsibility to check and then check again, I agree, but where do the checks an ordinary person has to make end? If I hadn't been lucky and, had to carry out all the checks I now know I would have to - I wouldn't have bothered. None of us know everything, thats why in all walks of life there are 'specialists', someone who has studied and understands their particular field. We then pay them for their knowledge and expertise to work on our behalf. I like many others had no problem engaging experts to work on my behalf but, its doesn't work like that here - its more pot luck than anywhere I know! I was also happy to engage translators, again I was lucky because I also personally know of two people who did and what they told them was wrong!!

I worked and my area of knowledge is people with learning and physical disabilities, I also had to know the laws pertaining them. How would/could I have much knowledge of the system here? I paid for that expertise here, that should be good enough but as we see from this forum it isn't!!

I cant defend them at all - ever and blame the buyer. Maria has just posted she must have left her brains some where, I disagree. I believe people have been deliberately told lies and conned, yes conned.

Its a disgrace and this forum should be compulsory for anyone buying here!

[immac]

Originally Posted by Guz1

it is almost impossible to check everything and off-plan is a minefield all of its own. Just because so many of us acted irresponsibly when parting with our money it didn't give others the right to take advantage, and the legal system appears to work in favour of those who do take advantage of ignorant/innocent buyers.

But what you are saying is, you can't check things so carry on regardless; my point would be, you can't check things so don't buy.
Ian

[crystalclear]

How about someone or all of you actually listing the buying procedures for both types of purchase resale and off plan in detail from your own experiences.

things like
tapu -viewing - land - or property- who to ask to view- at what point of buying process
military checks - when to do - how to - apply, cost and why needed
passport translations - when to do - how to apply - cost and why needed
notary office - what to submit - when - why - and cost
solicitor - what part should they play in total
Emlak - what part they should play in total if used to find property
Translator - why should you get one
When to hand over money and sign contracts ?
when to pay final payments ?

Yes I know there are lots of other things but I was only trying to get the ball rolling with suggestions of things to do rather than seeing the word checks in the majority of posts in the thread. As someone wanting to buy for the 1st time may not fully understand the (wording) Check .

Hope this makes some sense lol !!

crystalclear

[bobthenob]

When l first came over in Altinkum to buy with an estate agent that claims to be highly recommended,because they are more concerned that clients get a competitive price on a property of their choice than to think about what money could be generated per sale.So,we went with them.

I thought l was going through all the proper legal channels with the guidance of this agent.l found the house l was interested in and handed the part payment in front of the solicitor to the builder,since this is what l was told to do,because this is the way they do it here.
They said you will receive your tapu in thee months[no later]once you hand over the rest of the money which l did.The excuses started with delay in military clearance or the builder is off somewhere on business etc etc.After a year of arguing with them,l received a tapu but not the one that should be for the house.The tapu was for the land only.l never received the right tapu,until l sold this property to a another builder.He went straight to the builder that was in liason with this agent and low and behold it suddenly appeared from his drawer.
This tells me straight away he has deliberately held the tapu for fraudulent reasons,because my translater that was there with me in the builders office said.Don’t mention this to anyone,because l am not to blame for the delay.
The proof is their that the corrupt practices are definitely deliberate to leech as much money from the foreigner as possible.
The solicitor didn’t do his job properly and the estate agent with the builder knew what they were doing.lt was all planned to exploit me.
l assumed l was doing the thing as stated to me,this is the way the system works here.l didn't know how bad it was until l started questioning them,which was to late by then.l also thought there were proper regulative boards here to complain to,if things didn't work out as planned and found out,even if you do complain,doesn't mean they will be sued.l later found out,this agent l was with had multiple writs against them.And all they say is sue us,l don't care,because they know the system is in their favour

[immac]

So you did everything wrong: made assumptions that did not stand up, did not do the right checks and bought something that did not exist. Yes, they may have been bent, but you handed them everything on a plate. Would you have done the same in UK?

Ian

[shirleyanntr]

İ wonder what the % is of sales that go through without a hitch and those that dont ..given the size of the property market ...
and also the % of Brits that have a had terrible time as opposed to other foreigners.