Avoiding corrupt minds

[bobthenob]

With all the rip offs going on in the tourists area’s.lt is best to play at their own game,if they can’t see the sense in building up a good reputation,then they must face the consequences.
Never give them the benefit of the doubt,because this only encourages them to continue manipulating the honest minds in their favour.Look at the signs of deceptive behaviour against the client.
1/The tactics they use is to groom your mind to gain your trust and there are many ways in doing this.l have noticed how many certificates these businesses have on their walls to impress.Ask them nicely if you don’t mind me taking photos of your certificates as a recommendation and then go to the authorities to find whether they are registered and entitled to have these publicly displayed.
If they become aggressive and refuse you taking the photos,then you have the answer straight away.Just walk away and rumble the culprits.
2/Another one they use is to impress you with fantastic offers if you buy now then you will save a packet before the prices go up,whether it is a new build or off plan it is always the same.They want to get rid of it quickly once they have that opportunity to depart you from your money.They will tell you what they want you to hear,not what you want to hear.
3/When viewing a property,remember you tell them what you want to see,not the other way round.Tell them you want to see the roof.More often then not that’s where the problem lies later on.look at the discoloration of the carving paint work etc.This is caused by water seeping in the walls from the roof,causing ongoing problems.
4/The tapu issue is an open opportunity to con the buyers out of more money.But if you just do one thing to avoid being a victim towards these leeches then you will claim a victory against the evil minds of not getting what they want and also you will gain a property with the right papers intact.lf you are thinking of buying a new build or off plan always make sure that the tapu is there by personally asking for it.lf they start to make excuses,walk away and just say,Thank you for your time,but l am not interested.
4/You need to scrutinize whatever is presented to you and then decide what to reject to what to accept.Remember they either be very friendly if things are going their way,but if it is not going their way,you will notice a completely different attitude to their behaviour to what they claim to be.Verbally and sometimes physical aggression will be part of their methods to put fear into you if you don’t buy.l have seen this many times over the years in the Altinkum area.
5/I have also experienced another horrible tactic they use and that is making generalizations to obscure the important facts about the builds history[whether it’s on military land,taxes not payed,etc]and they also demean other places so you won’t need to go to them even though it looks better then the one there showing you.
6/This one is quite important,which is used so often.The way they can win you over is by playing on your emotions.Fear is an emotion that can cloud over our judgement and then they work from their in gaining your trust out of your confused state as skillfully as the devil himself.
7/Do not except what they tell you,find out yourself first before you take the plunge by using the services provided from the authorities and talk to as many ex-pats and forums about what you are thinking of doing.
8/I personally will always buy a resale,because of the right papers are in place.The many extras that are installed including the furniture.And also since it has been lived in,you know that the build is sound and can withstand the weather elements during the winter.

I know there are a lot more to add on how to avoid being a victim of corrupt minds..please add to it,as this will benefit the many that log onto the forum.lf l can help one,then l know l have achieved something which gives me a glow of satisfaction,and a victory against the evil minds that play on the minds of honesty.

[immac]

Your fundamental points are valid, but the main point is that there is nothing here that you would not do as a matter of routine if buying in UK. OK, you might pay professionals to do some of these things for you, but they would be done.

As has been said many time, people throw common sense out of the window when buying here and then are upset when things go wrong.

Ian

[saoirse]

whilst one should always take reasonable precautions if I was so worried/insecure as to require all on Bobs list I doubt I would go out my front door let alone buy a property

[shirleyanntr]

Bob , İ'm wondering who ''them'' and ''they'' are .

[irishmatelot]

Immac has a valid point, anyone comtemplating a house purchase should have enough common sense to do all the appropriate land, financial and property checks before they part with a penny. It would be easy to be done over by a UK estate agent too if you didn't do the correct preparations.

My heart goes out to anyone who is fleeced or dealt an injustice by the Turkish house purchasing system and its sometimes complicated procedures...I do think a lot of trauma could be avoided or lessened if people were as cautious in Turkey as they would be at home. No offense intended to anyone who has had a bad experience in Turkey, I know how hard the system is and that is why I haven't purchased yet but came close to being silly last year till sense and a good solicitor kicked in...

[bobthenob]

Originally Posted by shirleyanntr

Bob , İ'm wondering who ''them'' and ''they'' are .

l am referring to the one's in businesses that are defrauding people.Estate Agents,so called Lawyers,Builders,Tour companies,restaurants,shops.

They are the culprits.Never give them an inch or they will take a mile

[yalimart]

i agree with Bob completely on this, I considered making a check list for buying my 2nd property but I didnt and at one point thought I was facing problems, that with my initial experience of buying and failure to act on my instincts ie the check list, it all worked out well for me and the delays were genuine beaurocracy.

If there was a generic plan/checklist put together by people more in the know than me Im sure that buyers would probably not go through the heartache and traumas of dealing with systems, emlaks and lawyers, unsscrupulous builders etc.
There is so much info on this site about peoples experiences, and the legal aspects etc that if it was pulled together to create maybe a downloadable package for prospective buyers that perhaps some of the "villains" would realise they had got it wrong when their phones stop ringing

martin

[bobthenob]

Originally Posted by irishmatelot

Immac has a valid point, anyone comtemplating a house purchase should have enough common sense to do all the appropriate land, financial and property checks before they part with a penny. It would be easy to be done over by a UK estate agent too if you didn't do the correct preparations.

My heart goes out to anyone who is fleeced or dealt an injustice by the Turkish house purchasing system and its sometimes complicated procedures...I do think a lot of trauma could be avoided or lessened if people were as cautious in Turkey as they would be at home. No offense intended to anyone who has had a bad experience in Turkey, I know how hard the system is and that is why I haven't purchased yet but came close to being silly last year till sense and a good solicitor kicked in...

l disagree with that.lt is a lot more difficult to be fleeced in Britian then here,because of the proper regulations in place.When the final searches are done from the solicitor and the money is exchange exactly the same with the other solicitor stops this corruption from happening.lf there was no deeds to the house then the money would not be exchange.
Also if the solicitor has done a terrible job in conveyancing.The client can complain and get compensation.Here you cannot.
Turkey has an open wound to infection.That wound can be sewn up for it to improve.But l have this gut feeling they want to keep this wound open

[carolk]

Bob is quite right. You don't know to ask, do you own the land, when the builder is building on it? You don't know to ask, exactly what is your arrangement with the land owner - can you show me your tapu? Can I see you proof that you or X Y or Z own this land/building, that you have permission to build on it? Then to complicate matters further, you need to make sure you don't use a solicitor within a million miles of them!! I have my problems here but, it wasn't with the buying process - that was fine on both occasions and I'm not willing to say there wasn't a lot of luck on my side!

It is not the same as buying in the UK (or any country) where there is redress if a solicitor is corrupt, Oh sure, you can report them but it seems to end there here. In the UK in particular you have a solicitor that works for you and money is not handed over at any stage until completion, not even the Estate Agents fees. Ask the hundreds of people who are told this is the way it is in Turkey - pay this, that and the other first!! Emlaks here take their cut straight off the top in the long list of must pays which include the military check, lets face it, who is going to pay for that if not you, you are buying the property so you get the 'good old list' of what needs to be paid first before you get anywhere near paying for the actual property!

The military checks are an outdated money maker, nothing else.

Thank heavens for these forums.

[bobthenob]

Well said Carol.There is no comparison to the system in Britian to the system here.
Even when a client has a solicitor here working on his behalf,where he has payed just as much or even more then the price in Britian,cannot be guaranteed the job will get done.