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Old 20th November 2016, 18:05   #1 (permalink)
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Help needed with a turkish plated car purchased abroad

Good evening everyone and thanks for allowing me to join your group. I have searched up and down the internet and this forum was the only place I could find being close to what we need to find out.

We live in London and have recently purchased a left hand drive vehicle from a local auction thinking the vehicle came from the European Union while instead it turns out that the vehicle is actually registered in Turkey and still has the registration plates on it. We were told it had been seized by the police for whatever reason and we only have the auction invoice as proof. No registration documents were given at the auction so I presume these are still in the possession of its registered owner.

The vehicle's numberplate is in the format of 34MC313 and someone somewhere mentioned on the internet that M is attributed to a non citizen living in Turkey although we are not sure if this is true or if it actually makes a difference.

It would be great if someone could enlighten us regarding this M letter. Does it mean the non-citizen owner brought the vehicle into Turkey and did not pay the registration tax and the vehicle can only be transferred to another non-citizen or is it fully registered ad can be passed on to a turkish citizen as well?

Unexpectedly we now have to pay customs tax to register it here and we thought it is probably worthwhile finding out if it is not better to return the vehicle to Turkey and purchase another one from the EU. We understand car prices there are ridiculously high and maybe someone is willing to go through the hassle of finding a solution to this issue if this means saving some thousands off the real value of this vehicle.
The vehicle is a 2012-2013 1.6 petrol automatic with 30.000km and we could help with getting the vehicle to Turkey's border with Greece or Bulgaria. Similar vehicles on Arabam.com are valued at over 40.000TL and we would be happy to accommodate any visits or inspections at our address in London.
Many thanks in advance for any help or suggestions and please do not hesitate to contact me if anyone needs any more information.

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Old 20th November 2016, 19:26   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Help needed with a turkish plated car purchased abroad

Good luck !
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Old 21st November 2016, 06:07   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Help needed with a turkish plated car purchased abroad

The first question is how much important tax is due to be paid to the UK,then do you get a log book registration from dvla?
It doesn't matter how much they are in turkey if the car is in the UK and plan to keep it there is pressure you bought it thinking it could be a cheap UK car ,then found out you need to pay UK import duty ?

What is of worth in the UK?
What model is it ?

I know somebody that specialises in left hand drive cars sending to Europe, mainly Spain but would think know the same issue may occur in tax to be paid .

What would be your best scenario now ?what does it stand you at ?

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Re: Help needed with a turkish plated car purchased abroad

You were rightly informed that the car has been owned by a foreigner in Turkey. The number plate shows it was registered in Istanbul (34 prefix) and the MC shows in was non-Turk owned (registration plates from MA onwards - MB, MC, MD etc etc etc - are registered to foreigners.
To say you have a complicated issue on your hands is an understatement - especially trying to "repatriate" the car to Turkey. The car has obviously had a foreign owner and will most likely still be registered to that person in Turkey otherwise the plates would have to have been taken off and returned to the Traffic Polis here.
Once it reached Turkey it could have various debts on it such as road tax, fines etc and of course whoever drove it here would have no proof of ownership in this country.
Whilst not wanting to be unkind, and I am sure you are already aware of it anyway, this is an ideal example of the "buyer beware" part of what looks like an auction bargain.
However, the best of luck with whatever avenue you choose to go down.
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Seems as if your only option to get any money back is to sell it for spare parts.
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Re: Help needed with a turkish plated car purchased abroad

In Turkey when a foreigner buys a car they have to put MA/MB/MC etc plates on it irrespective of whether it was brought in on the 'tax free' status, or whether it was bought at full price from a showroom or second hand. Originally the 'MA' system was to denote cars or vehicles on which tax had not been paid. I would certainly not advise bringing it back, as said previously there could be any amount of taxes/fines etc and you cannot do anything without the signature of the person it was registered to.
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Re: Help needed with a turkish plated car purchased abroad

So, being Turkified now I will get straight to the point.

How much did you pay for it?
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Re: Help needed with a turkish plated car purchased abroad

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So, being Turkified now I will get straight to the point.

How much did you pay for it?
And how much is the import tax? I have imported several vehicles, one of them from turkey when I left the first time. In both cases the duty was not too much money, and I sold the cars on afterwards. At the time (1987) I could have got away with the import duty if I kept the car in my name for 6 months. obviously this is not the case with you.
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Re: Help needed with a turkish plated car purchased abroad

Thanks everyone for the support and willing to help us with all this information we never knew about.
The car was bought as it was left hand drive and all the information about it was given over the telephone by the person in charge with storing the vehicle before the auction so it would not be binding. When asked this half blind individual said the car would have come from France and his last explanation after we successfully bid for the vehicle and consequently collected it was "well, apologies but I thought it read FR and thought this meant France."

To cut the long story short I wanted a diesel vehicle for our yearly drives to Austria but wife moaned that she wanted an automatic therefore I reluctantly got tangled into this matter facing a 1600 customs tax for a 1.6 Petrol automatic car I never wanted in the first place.
This can be registered here as long as this tax is paid but if a solution is to be found to swap this vehicle with a similar one coming from EU it would save us quite a lot of hassle. I thought it was worth trying to pursue every avenue and this is how we got here to find you good people willing to help us out.
The vehicle is a Nssan Tekna 2012 and the number plate above is a format not the actual number plate. I do not know if it is wise to put the complete number plate here but please advise if safe and I shall either post it here or pm it upon request. The first half of it is 48 MB and there are 3 more numbers after this if it is of any help to anyone.
I understand the prospects are not too bright but maybe the person who lost it would want it back or at least willing to help out with its sale towards another turkish resident / citizen if this means regaining back some of the big loss incurred by the seizure of the vehicle.
I understand M means Misfir but would M not be there if the registered non citizen owner bought the vehicle from a turkish citizen ( all taxes paid) or from a dealership while not being eligible for a tax free purchase ?
Moreover it may have been a genuine incident where the vehicle was left abandoned in the UK due to ill health or worse so unless its exact status is checked we will never know. Otherwise I wonder who in the right mind would abandon this vehicle together with its number plates? Even if it was seized by the police the registered owner can still request the plates so the vehicle would have been sold without any.

Either way we wanted to tell everyone here that we really appreciate all your help and support and look forward to receiving your replies which are of great help in painting a clearer picture of what hurdles we may face ahead...
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Re: Help needed with a turkish plated car purchased abroad

A UK right hand drive equivalent would be 3500-4000
A similar model/year but higher mileage from Germany (cheapest source) starts from 5000 or 6000 euros with 1.5dci diesels available at slightly more.
We paid 3750 at the auction and to get a V5C UK logbook we need to change headlights and speedometer (300), MOT (55), Vehicle Identification Check (199), pay custom tax (1600), Road tax (185 per year) and 55 registration tax. The customs tax would push the total cost too high to make it worthwhile..
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