rosehillgirl

Hi All,

I've just read something very confusing (and a bit worrying) on the Fethiye 'Land of Lights' website. It appears to be saying that the governments proposal to designate Dalaman as a 'tourist' area has been rejected by the 'Council of State'. The objections to development of the area for tourism are that the area is much too valuable for agriculture to be sacrificed for tourism.
While in Dalaman a couple of weeks ago I was talking to a restaurant owner who said that he had been talking to the assisant Baskan just the day before. He was told, by him, that sadly, the plans for the new Marina had been shelved for at least two to three years.

Has anyone read the article in the 'Land of Lights'? Can anyone understand what the implications are? Lastly,anyone know anything new about the plans for the marina?

Ann

no-nem

The implications are, one would presume, that Dalaman will be a haven of peace and quiet (and therefor quite select) without over construction, and anybody living there will be saved the concrete jungle.

Guz1

Sounds idyllic.

rosehillgirl

Hi.

You'll be rushing to move there?

Ann

janeanneteacake

Agriculture is a huge industry in Turkey, which is now sadly slowly declining. This country used to be totally self sufficient foodwise, ie it never needed to import on the basic (non luxury)foodstuffs....sadly this no longer the case. However Turkey is still a major exporter of fruit and veg to Europe.....to give more impotance to the fickle and capricious industry of Tourism over the more sustainable industry of Agriculture to me is a travesty and it would be like Turkey shooting itself in the foot.....after all, people will always need to eat, but will northern Europeans always be able to come on cheap holidays to the Med?
'Afferin' to the council of state, thats what I say...

Guz1

Maybe. If you can guarantee there won't be a marina. Would have to sell my house in Guzelcamli first.

Actually, I thought that Dalaman would be a likely destination if Ryanair were to start direct flights to Turkey. Direct Holidays used to do flights from Dublin but now sure whether they have discontinued.

rosehillgirl

Hiya,

I like Dalaman fine just as it is-I'm not really bothered about the marina (don't even have a boat!) but I just like to know what's going on around me.
To be honest, the hotels etc they build now don't benefit the locations much at all-they're mostly 'all inclusive' which doesn't benefit local traders at all.
I've read the article on the 'Land of Lights' but it makes no sense to me at all.
As for the 'concrete jungle'-that's well under way-happily, there is enough land in Dalaman so things aren't too cramped as yet. There are lots of offices/shops/apartments being built near the town centre.
We used to live in Kyrenia (Girne) which had (has?) a crazy building boom, the locals sold all of their family land and bought designer clothes, fast cars, beautiful houses etc. Sadly, lots of them have spent the lot and have nothing left-sold the family silver and are now broke. I'd hate to see Dalaman go that way.

Ann

turtle-webs

Unless they give a definate no-go for the marina and not a delay of a few years the building boom will continue. Maybe not for the big time boys, they'll more than likely give it a miss until they can be sure of a return. The little men will still continue to build like there is no tomorrow convicned they'll get a return in the long term. This will still continue to push up land prices as the farmers selling it will be convinced it will be bought by rich foreigners or by developers for rich foreigners.

This happened on a smaller scale in Dalyan and now not really anybody is selling as its outpriced itself, its still happening in Sarigerme but as has been said its the all-inclusives that are taken over but I know many developers over there that are banking on building huge complexes of 'luxury' homes on the farmers land. The farmers wife is now in designer gear and the farmer has a shiny car - that is until it runs out. In Dalyan we lived next door to someone who used to own a huge part of Dalyan, they spent the money. Now they live off what they can grow on what they have left, hand outs from friends, etc.

What will be the sadest thing is that many of these 'luxury' homes will be unsold because they don't understand the market. We've spent the last 2 years trying to convince sarigerme developers not to build £250k plus houses but rather apartments as many golfers may be rich, they are not stupid and many are rich becuase they spend wisely. I think Dalaman developers have caught onto this and are building apartments as well as homes but Sarigerme will end up a ghost town surrounded by all inclusive hotels.

Dalamanli

It's not the whole project that's been "cancelled", from my recollection of the newspapers, only the bit relating to use of arable land (not just agricultural land.) I think there was going to be an all-inclusive thingy that would have taken up some or all of the State Farm. The Agriculture Ministry protested and that part of the project has been stayed, not cancelled (I've an idea it was at the Constitutional Court) but the arguments will continue for and against for a bit yet. The general Tourism Plan in still in place, though.

Above Sarıgerme there are some quarter-finished houses that were apparantly begun about 6 or 7 years ago, blocked as being an illegal development, and ordered to be demolished. I think the developer's understanding of "demolished" was to take off a roof-tile, leave well alone and wait until his mates give permission to continue.

I understood the "marina" is planned for ocean going cruise-ships, like Kuşadası, rather than a down-market Gocek, but I can't see where they'll all troop off to for their day on-shore. I know there's a Bim in Dalaman now and we all enjoyed Yosun, but it is never going to be a coast town (thank goodness).