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Old 8th February 2015, 18:25   #1 (permalink)
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Has anyone experienced this problem with their electric mains box?

The main trip switch goes off often, not the individual trip switches, but the main one and stays off. We have had the electrician out several times. He is very professional and was highly recommended. He has changed the main trip replacing it with a Siemens trip. We have made notes when it cuts out as we wondered whether the rain might be setting it off, but there are no set patterns, very often it is in the middle of the night. Today, it went off 8.00 this morning and the weather was good. A worry we have is if we go away and it goes off the freezer will defrost and our alarm will go off after the battery loses its charge.

A friend from the UK who is an electrician suggested that we call out our electrician as soon as it happens, but very often it's in the middle of the night or today it was Sunday!

We wonder whether somebody might have experienced the same problem or be able to give us a clue to the possible cause. The house is 10 years old and well maintained.

This has nothing to do with general power failure, it is just our property.

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Re: Trip Switch

Usually simple faults to find if you have the test kit to look, never seen a Turkish electrician with any test kit to be honest.

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Re: Trip Switch

Never seen a Megger in Turkey cept my own one.
The trip [RCD] isn't faulty, there is a fault within one of the circuits, the RCD is doing its job of keeping you safe. Watch those Turkish sparks, they will remove the RCD and tell you they have solved the problem, they haven't, they will leave you in danger.
The only resolution is to find the fault and remove it. If you can find a UK sparks locally, retired or otherwise, best get him to look.
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Re: Trip Switch

The test kit used by our local lekkie consists of a light bulb and 2 wires. If the bulb lights, there's a live circuit!
Mollag is right.
Just one question. Do you have any appliance with a radiant element like an oven grill or similar? The reason I ask is because our UK electrician here in UK discovered that the reason our box was tripping so often was because there was a tiny split in a grill element and if a splash of grease had got into it it shorted the circuit. (Cue beautiful new kitchen!). Maybe it is something as small as that.
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Elements are often the culprits, especially when associated with water, immersion heaters, washing machines or even outside lights. You could try to find by elimination but you must disconnect not just switch off to check.
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Re: Trip Switch

When does it trip ? are you at home ? as Kanga suggested are any appliances running, is it damp out side, raining etc when it trips can you always reset it straight away ?

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We have made notes when it cuts out as we wondered whether the rain might be setting it off, but there are no set patterns, very often it is in the middle of the night. Today, it went off 8.00 this morning and the weather was good.
So what do you have turned on 24/7 Fridge, Freezer? Would a kind neighbour let you run an extension to run them for a couple of days to see if it cures the problem. Or if indeed it then trips theirs.
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Re: Trip Switch

We live in Selimiye, near Marmaris, and recently have had a lot of power cuts and over the same period a number of RCD trips, sometimes when the power returns and sometimes unrelated.
Isolating possible suspects, immersion heater, outside light circuits, swimming pool circuit, etc., gave no improvement.
But, on reading up on possible causes, I found RCDs can also be tripped by external problems with the incoming mains. In view of the numerous power cuts I'm assuming the tripping is more related to the mains than the house wiring.
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Re: Trip Switch

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Has anyone experienced this problem with their electric mains box?

The main trip switch goes off often, not the individual trip switches, but the main one and stays off. We have had the electrician out several times. He is very professional and was highly recommended. He has changed the main trip replacing it with a Siemens trip. We have made notes when it cuts out as we wondered whether the rain might be setting it off, but there are no set patterns, very often it is in the middle of the night. Today, it went off 8.00 this morning and the weather was good. A worry we have is if we go away and it goes off the freezer will defrost and our alarm will go off after the battery loses its charge.

A friend from the UK who is an electrician suggested that we call out our electrician as soon as it happens, but very often it's in the middle of the night or today it was Sunday!

We wonder whether somebody might have experienced the same problem or be able to give us a clue to the possible cause. The house is 10 years old and well maintained.

This has nothing to do with general power failure, it is just our property.

Many thanks.
Juco may have hit the nail on the head with using a power lead from a neighbour.

1. it went off 8.00 this morning
Were you by any chance just boiling a kettle or as said turning anything off?

2. Fridges/freezers are one of the main culprits.

Basically what happens to either of the above is that the contacts are not breaking quick enough and create a arc across the contacts which is then interpreted as a fault and the RCD trips out.

3. our alarm will go off after the battery loses its charge.
The alarm can't go off because the battery will be discharged.
But, if the alarm goes off when power is restored that is usually the first sign that the battery is faulty and should be changed, also change the bell-box battery at the same time.

Also sometimes even a very quick power failure and restore can also cause the RCD to trip out, so ask other people if there was a power out, which could account for it happening in the middle of the night.

As a last resort, you could think of replacing the RCD with a higher value unit.
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Re: Trip Switch

We had a Similar problem a few years ago and after a process of eliminations we changed the RCD breaker for a better make ? the Turkish ones are rubbish.
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