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View Poll Results: TLF what now
Mothball it for reference - no more posts 7 8.64%
Shut it down and delete everything 1 1.23%
Ban the troublemakers and carry on 66 81.48%
Other options - please post suggestions 7 8.64%
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Old 3rd February 2020, 22:12   #1 (permalink)
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Question Has TLF run it's course and should be put to sleep?

For a while now I am getting the feeling that maybe time has come to close this forum down.

There seem to be mainly argument between very few members about the same things, often there is much mud slinging and complaints to mods.

My main reasons for starting this forum was to exchange information about Turkey amongst people who had the same interests but mainly about Turkey.

Times have changed and many of the original members have left or passed away.

Due to fewer active members and thus less usage of the forum, the advertisement revenues I used to receive have declined over the years, gradually it's getting to the stage where it will cost me to run the forum, much like the early years when I paid all the bills and spent many hours running the forum.

Now I don't have a lot of time or funds to invest in something where I get constant alerts and complaints about members being childish or abusive.

So I'm asking myself is there a need for TLF still?
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Old 3rd February 2020, 22:46   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Has TLF run it's course and should be put to sleep?

Amongst the mud slinging, there’s also some pretty solid and sound information in quite a few posts. I would like to think that this site has saved plenty of people their money & in some cases their very sanity.
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Re: Has TLF run it's course and should be put to sleep?

As less people are buying in Turkey and many who bought in the boom years return to Their home countries, or even die off , the profile of the membership has changed. There is less need for advice or information on the country.
Equally there is less feedback when advice is sought.

Maybe it has run its course there are still some on the forum giving good help and advice but not much demand for it.

I think some members have too much time on their hands, even those of us with an interest in U.K. politics get turned off by the reams of downloads of political comment masquerading as information










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Old 3rd February 2020, 23:07   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Has TLF run it's course and should be put to sleep?

Unfortunately I know exactly what you mean. Ban the trouble makers and carry on, is my vote. Suspending for a few days does not work, so one strike and next time you are out, and make sure they don't come back under another name as has happened in the past.

The Brexit thread is a good example. Completely circular arguments over thousands of posts, where nobody has changed their mind on anything from start to finish. It just becomes a battle of the quotes taken from various newspapers with little original thought - argument and insults just for the sake of it - eventually a very unpleasant place to visit.

In the past, when I have encouraged a back-to-basics style, the opposition comes from the people who want the argumentative (aggressive) posts that often have nothing to do with Turkey.

I believe that Mods should be encouraged to be far more authoritarian without having to justify their actions - close threads that have run their course, censure abusive members, encourage discourse and stamp on those that need it - and their are only a handful of those, but they spoil it for everyone because they want to be centre of attention, even when they have nothing to contribute. I have taken the line with more aggressive members to ignore and not respond to them or their posts - I don't come here to be bullied, and will not allow them the courtesy of acknowledgement - my own version of giving them one chance then side-line them, and I would encourage others to do the same. I know that one or two have actually used PMs to try to encourage others to aggressively gang up against individuals they take against - how perverted is that?

On the up-side, TLF is my first point of reference on things about Turkey, and my first Web site every day. Things that are on-topic - from high Turkish finance to how to fix your water heater - are the real issues that matter to me. TLF is still highly relevant to me, but spoiled by a handful of unpleasant members.

Please, keep it going, but get tough.

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Re: Has TLF run it's course and should be put to sleep?

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Unfortunately I know exactly what you mean. Ban the trouble makers and carry on, is my vote. Suspending for a few days does not work, so one strike and next time you are out, and make sure they don't come back under another name as has happened in the past.

The Brexit thread is a good example. Completely circular arguments over thousands of posts, where nobody has changed their mind on anything from start to finish. It just becomes a battle of the quotes taken from various newspapers with little original thought - argument and insults just for the sake of it - eventually a very unpleasant place to visit.

In the past, when I have encouraged a back-to-basics style, the opposition comes from the people who want the argumentative (aggressive) posts that often have nothing to do with Turkey.

I believe that Mods should be encouraged to be far more authoritarian without having to justify their actions - close threads that have run their course, censure abusive members, encourage discourse and stamp on those that need it - and their are only a handful of those, but they spoil it for everyone because they want to be centre of attention, even when they have nothing to contribute. I have taken the line with more aggressive members to ignore and not respond to them or their posts - I don't come here to be bullied, and will not allow them the courtesy of acknowledgement - my own version of giving them one chance then side-line them, and I would encourage others to do the same. I know that one or two have actually used PMs to try to encourage others to aggressively gang up against individuals they take against - how perverted is that?

On the up-side, TLF is my first point of reference on things about Turkey, and my first Web site every day. Things that are on-topic - from high Turkish finance to how to fix your water heater - are the real issues that matter to me. TLF is still highly relevant to me, but spoiled by a handful of unpleasant members.

Please, keep it going, but get tough.

Ian
Great post Ian. Agree 100%. I tend to dip in and out these days simply because
of the predictable same old same old content and insults from the same old same old people . I would make excuses in part re the Brexit thread as I accept it does arouse strong feelings and views around the country. However one member in particular is a real turn off for me (and for others I am sure.). So yes- keep the forum going but give mods full authority and encourage them to stamp out the unpleasantness and pettiness that abounds these days.
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Re: Has TLF run it's course and should be put to sleep?

I do hope you don't have to shut down. Yes you're right many posts are just argumentative and that is seriously boring especially when users think they know everything (much from fake news sadly ) .And sometimes known nothing. I certainly love to hear and learn about stuff in Turkey as well as a few outside of Turkey posts. I'm sure there are still many people living in Turkey or like me a part timer in Turkey that would really love to contribute but posts often get moved along in what then becomes an argument or an ignore. I've personally asked several questions on here and it's very rare that any answer comes forth. But I love TLF and have done for 15 years. I think more newbies would come if they were allowed into the clique. I like to be honest and truthful about how I feel because nothing will change unless there's honesty and loyalty.
I personally think you've done a great job and like someone else said I look into TLF several times a day and it's always opened over breakfast.
I tried to get people talking/posting on my post (can't find it now) about real living in Turkey and there were many very interesting posts and it gave such an insight into living in Turkey. To me they were the real people living and breathing Turkey. But it dropped off and as I said I can't remember the thread name so it's difficult to bring up on my phone.
So come on everyone let's help to keep this going. One man set this up and without his wish to bring this to us we would be a lot less wiser about Turkey.
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Re: Has TLF run it's course and should be put to sleep?

Everybody knows the biggest problem with this forum. Stop beating about the bush, ban a certain member who hails from the Uraine, and restore some sanity to these useful pages.
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Re: Has TLF run it's course and should be put to sleep?

Well Ive voted to ban the trouble makers & move on. If Im adjudge to be a trouble maker, I'll take my licks. I will though in the meantime continue to challenge an outright troll on here & I don't think I even have to name him.
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Re: Has TLF run it's course and should be put to sleep?

Don't do yourself down Chips. You are one of the few who have the minerals to take the troublemakers on.
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Re: Has TLF run it's course and should be put to sleep?

I speak as a person who viewed for a while before beginning to post and I think TLF still has a lot to offer and has in the past both in information and in the "crack ".

Before joining I saw a cull of members because I think it was sinking into racial vitriol. It helped but became a quieter forum for a while, but my view is underneath there seem to be some personal simmering rivalries between the TLF old guard which raises its head from time to time and it is easy to be sucked into it .. which could be solved if these members just pmd each other and argued it out. .

But when its not nipped in the bud early, but allowed to continue, then the original topic and thread are lost and it becomes boring ....

Maybe then even new wannabe members feel some trepidation to post in case they are sucked in or even attacked themselves.

I know the moderator jobs are hard and difficult to fill the positions so it's this is not meant to place all the blame on them, as I said above others are equally to blame .

But I know Mods have their own views, but at times have seen some not live up to the moderation label , but actually instigate or encourage even start an argument ,with those who have simmering old rivalries knowing which buttons to press.

I was glad you once before took up my suggestion from what I had seen happened on the other forums I participate on ref Mods.. in not allowing a mod to moderate a thread they were taking part in. Which helped a little.

But then you find again under their own names they aren't moderated much by their own fellow mods so can slip back.

I personally as you know was stopped posting my opinion on a thread by a Mod ,who had a different opinion, and used his position to stifle opposition to anything but his own opinion and that of his own old clique ... but the above has helped some, with him not being allowed to moderate a thread he participates in. But this new Rule should be known is the case by all the Members ....

A Robust difference of opinion is healthy I think in a forum but silliness should be nipped in the bud quick.

Just banning members just depletes membership and it goes quiet as seen when it was done before. Yes your right some troublemakers on some threads are a pain, but on other threads they can as seen offer good information and interesting topics , experiences. So as I said ,just nip it in the bud by a quick deletion of the posters post ...

But as for trying to increase more posting by new members...,maybe new members should only get a taster to the more informative, actual Turkish living threads, full access given after a certain amount of posts from them .

I think TLF of should of course be mainly on Turkish events ,information and experiences ,but there isn't enough threads on that to sustain the forum ( and those who complain it is so, don't themselves post regularly enough to make it so ) So you still need a broader base of external interests to generate a bigger interest........... I personally would like TLF to continue, but it is your Business Mushtaq and if the advertising is down your call..... I thank you anyway,

ps. seven members posted so far including myself but only three voted one of then me....why ?

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