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Old 25th November 2016, 12:20   #1 (permalink)
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Trying to put together some pros v cons between my great old stomping ground Turkey and my pasture new

Whilst they are so different it's absurd to say ones better /worse than the other I thought I would just highlight some differences as opposed to ups/downers


Turkey is in many ways much better value for many things, one in particular is electricity. When you use none in Turkey you pay nowt whilst in Valencia they have an absurd standing charge even if you don't use a single volt

Booze and eating out generally- would be cheaper in Valencia and although it's totally subjective my opinion is the food when similar price is of a much better quality with less hit and miss

Car prices are high in both places with second hand holding well but if you're game for a laugh in Spain Seat have some excellent deals with many brand new models cheaper than used vehicles

A very big difference is tax liability. Whilst because most expats in Turkey can't/don't work and tax on bank savings interest is taken at source, ex pats there don't really get involved with tax. Spain is VERY different with taxes for both nonresident ( if property owner) and expat residents. To be fair it appears a lot more daunting than it is ( in my own case it will come to a zero declaration) but certainly it's an extra hassle you don't have in Turkey.

Obviously on the other hand residency is much easier to sort in Spain ( as long as your still in EU!!) so again roundabouts and swings.

Internet would be more expensive in Valencia but then again you may not need unlimited as Freesat gives you all your Tv through your dish
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Trying to put together some pros v cons between my great old stomping ground Turkey and my pasture new

Whilst they are so different it's absurd to say ones better /worse than the other I thought I would just highlight some differences as opposed to ups/downers


Turkey is in many ways much better value for many things, one in particular is electricity. When you use none in Turkey you pay nowt whilst in Valencia they have an absurd standing charge even if you don't use a single volt

Booze and eating out generally- would be cheaper in Valencia and although it's totally subjective my opinion is the food when similar price is of a much better quality with less hit and miss

Car prices are high in both places with second hand holding well but if you're game for a laugh in Spain Seat have some excellent deals with many brand new models cheaper than used vehicles

A very big difference is tax liability. Whilst because most expats in Turkey can't/don't work and tax on bank savings interest is taken at source, ex pats there don't really get involved with tax. Spain is VERY different with taxes for both nonresident ( if property owner) and expat residents. To be fair it appears a lot more daunting than it is ( in my own case it will come to a zero declaration) but certainly it's an extra hassle you don't have in Turkey.

Obviously on the other hand residency is much easier to sort in Spain ( as long as your still in EU!!) so again roundabouts and swings.

Internet would be more expensive in Valencia but then again you may not need unlimited as Freesat gives you all your Tv through your dish
Thanks for this, it is good to have someone who has left their life in Turkey who is still posting positive comments and giving sensible comparisons. The 'born again leavers' really do my head in.
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Thanks for this, it is good to have someone who has left their life in Turkey who is still posting positive comments and giving sensible comparisons. The 'born again leavers' really do my head in.
I am in the opposite group IbrahimAbi lol- I want to get in to Turkey more often but am prevented by the various interpretations of the 185 day rule - ie if you come in by car ( even on a 90/180 day tourist visa) then you cannot re-enter until 185 days after your last exit.
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Thanks for this, it is good to have someone who has left their life in Turkey who is still posting positive comments and giving sensible comparisons. The 'born again leavers' really do my head in.
Couldn't agree more Ibrahim

Turkeys an amazing country with great people and I will ALWAYS have great memories of a total of 14 years there. Never understand those who alter their entire opinion of a place/people to suit their latest whim

Bottom line in this situ Turkey v Spain is they are soooo different its impossible to do a direct comparison
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Having lived in several countries during my lifetime I thought Turkey was ideal for retirement without working. Loved the place but both myself and the wife got bored without work.
Sad huh ?
Back in UK doing what we like best.
Loved everywhere I have lived except Libya.
With life getting on holiday options are getting rarer. May do Turkey later next year and there is another year gone.
Scary.....
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I know what you mean

We wanted to move abroad permanently so when we weren't 101% that Turkey was the place for that, and Valencia was-we decided to go for it. Hopefully we will get sorted, settled and start a new life abroad in the near future.

Times a wasting-so no more point in prevarication
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Interesting and impartial stuff this as the "off the beaten track" Spain looks attractive.

So here is a question. With exactly the same amount of income in Spain as in Turkey, in which country do you have more money left over at the end of the month?
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That's a toughey as I haven't moved there f/t yet.

But -and this isn't a cop out-I can honestly say it's gonna be down to your lifestyle. Going out for a local meal, couple of beers etc imho is cheaper/better value in Southern Spain, however household bills like electric are def higher.

I should also have highlighted you need to chose your area of Spain VERY carefully as utilities can be widely different with some areas having astronomical water bills ( parts of Murcia for examp)

It genuinely is very related to your daily dos/donts likes/dislikes

For us overall I would say it will be more or less the same
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Interesting and impartial stuff this as the "off the beaten track" Spain looks attractive.

So here is a question. With exactly the same amount of income in Spain as in Turkey, in which country do you have more money left over at the end of the month?
The one with the bigger interest rates.
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Not necessarily Des, depends on how much your outgoings are
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