Sunset Bay Owners

[Stevie Boy]

Firstly a very Merry Christmas to all on the Forum. A Happy and prosperous New Year to you all.

Calling all owners at Sunset Bay, I would assume you would have received your demand for maint fees for 2010.
I see Mavi are telling us Electric has increased 20% and Water 40% could I ask if there is someone in the Gulluk area who can confirm this please?
They have also increased their maint fees by 10% which I believe is quite excessive, what do other owners think ?
I also see Mavi have stated there is a majority for Wi Fi on the site at a cost of £90.00 for full usage which again I find excessive based on 102 units £9,180, again your comments would be appreciated.
Finally I would be interested in your comments on the services of Mavi who state they have had a successful, productive 2009. As I had the full package with them, they achieved no rentals, failed to get the snagging done, failed to meet family members who arrived on site early hours of the morning and generally fail to reply to correspondence unless they want money. Again your comments would be appreciated.

Once again Merry Xmas all.

[Mushroom]

Stevie Boy,

Other than myself, you are unlikely to get a response and mine is limited.
The reason is simple - certain owners are not on this forum, those that may be might not wish to comment as it is a trait and those who are on this forum but not owners aren't really concerned.

For my part, I am nearby and have also received the same request.

All I would say is that if you are going to dispute the rise, you will quickly find that you have very little if any actual support and you will come to your own conclusions why that is.
If you have been informed that the majority of owners have requested internet, you might think that it would have been at least nice to have been asked - I wasn't. If you ask for the names of the owners who opted for it _ that would be interesting !
In my case, if I need internet quickly, I can do so paying the mobile broadband rate, but on my "Jolly's" I am only a quick daily user for work and can do that at many free locations, which also coincide with your location - Oba Beach cafe, Medd Inn or in town.
In your case it would be crackers to pay for internet, when you literally have two freebies on your doorstep, so I don't think anyone has been asked and that is why I aren't paying for it. I have no contractual requirement or need.
A bit like having a hire car parked outside your place for a week by someone else and at the end of the week you get the bill. When you say you didn't use it, you could be told that it was there just in case !!

Good luck and as always you can PM me.

[debmax]

Hello Stevie Boy

Yes, I got the email about the rise in Maintenance fees. To be honest, I couldn't remember how much we paid last year for them, but 10% is 10% never the less. I can see by your post that you weren't happy with the service, however the two times we were out this year, I found them to be very good. But we don't have the rental facility with them so can't comment on that side.

Regarding the internet, we were asked when we were there in May and said we would be interested but they said that they didn't have enough takers, so we just forgot about it and thought we would just use the laptop at Joe's. As I didn't realise we could use Medd hotel.

Happy Christmas and all the best for 2010

Debra and Maxi

[Stevie Boy]

Thanks to Mushroom and Debmax,

All good comments and I will ask the question. The other comment I forgot is that we are being charged VAT for maint this year, but did not pay this last year. I do not pay VAT at Gundogan so will make some enquiries.

Once again thank you.

Have a Happy Xmas and Drunk New Year.

[deeatherton22]

Stevie, Yes I think the increases in the chargers are steep and not altogether happy about them but feel powerless to know how to avoid paying. plus the threat of the 10% surcharge. Mushroom is quite cynical to say people aren't interested I'm sure like us they are but with very few people on the site on a permanent basis and so few out at the same time, its difficult to get a together to do anything about it. I wounder what people on the other complex's feel and are doing about it, or is it just our complex that is uninterested. On the subject of the internet access, whilst great for people out there a lot we're there so infrequently its just not worth it, the inernet cafe in Gulluk works fine for us. Seasonal Greeting to one and all and the very best for 2010. Yes even you Grumpy Mushroom!!! Regards Brian

[juco]

By law apparently they have to do the maintenance through legal documentation or at least the committee that runs it. Others will advise if this is wrong. If this is the case then the balance sheet must be done properly through an accountant. get them to supply last years figures/breakdown and make sure every detail and lira is accounted for. Things like fuel for lawn mower/fly spray/weedkiller/ every little cost should be documented. The better run sites (although not all) supply an accurate breakdown on a yearly basis.
Only then can you begin to decide if the fee is reasonable otherwise you are guessing based on pie in the sky.
If they cant supply the information then I would not be accepting their figures.

[moxys]

hi to all i have p3 l3 so iam not to happy with the increases but as u say wot can we do and u are right the internet is a lot £9,180 can we get it cheeper ?? can we get any one to do maint can u keep me informed my email is info@mickhammocks.co.uk thanks

[Mushroom]

In answer to Brian, I am not being cynical or grumpy just telling it as it is.
I now own two Odek built properties and speak with some experience of having maintenance from Mavi and now in one property we are self managed.
The great British trait of apathy will be present and if you attempt to make contact with your fellow owners you will find that for every one who has the presence of mind to state their concerns, there will be another three who either think it and don't say it, or don't even make a response.
If you are seriously wanting to be in control of what is the maintenance of your own property and surrounding area, you can only do so with sufficient numbers. If you are requesting a break-down of maintenance costs, I will bet that you still don't have them by the end of this year.
That's not cynical, or grumpy - just stating the case as I see it.
By all means prove me wrong.
Sunset bay has raised many voices from those who have a glorious view of the back of the hotel and not the bay as promised but in the end they seemed to have made do and gone quiet. They are the same owners who you would need to be able to make a serious challenge to your management structure !

[RED 1]

Mushroom, Steve and others, Thank you for the replies. I agree we do have to gather support for changes to the management arrangements. I have email Mavi asking why they have not produced a breakdown of expenses, to date have not recieved a reply. Have others been intouch to voice there displeasure or asking for detailed info? If not the more that do the better.
Your views and experience are appreciated Mushroom.

[Mushroom]

Brian,

First of all you need to know what baseline you are working from and the KMK laws regarding management and other associated condominium rules are required to be read and understood.
There was a translated version available via this forum I am sure a while ago, but I have it if you can't find it.
A lot of it is waffle like most regulations, but some is pertinant.
Once you are aware of what should or shouldn't be applied you then are back to the numbers game and there lies the problem as I have already stated.
Assuming that you could get the percentage/fractional support amongst owners you can then forge ahead.
Until then, I anticipate that any requests made will fall upon deaf ears, but that should give you the 'kick' that you need if you are going to make that difference.
There is a very good Turkish Lawyer in this forum - Celtic and well worth contacting as I am nothing but an amateur and you cannot make a headway without a Professional in Turkish legal matters. I suggest you contact him, ask the questions openly on the forum as that is to the advantage of others and why ultimately the forum exists and if needs be pay the relatively small sums he may request either yourself or hopefully with the contribution of others, still a small price compared to taking 'official' legal advice in an office somewhere.
You are on the right track, but I do have concerns about the level of support you will find along the way from your fellow owners, but only time will tell.
The thing you have to remember at all times is that Mavi works for the owners and not the other way around. Some owners do not seem to understand that and the problems stem from there.

Good luck, I got your PM, and feel free to contact me whenever.