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Old 4th September 2013, 07:53   #1 (permalink)
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Hi my daughter and her fiance want to get married and when I say get married they want an islamic marriage or Nikah in either Fatih Mosque or Sulaiymaniye mosque in Istanbul. Can any one advise me as the best way to go about this.

I have done some research and found out that the religious ceremony has no legal standing in Turkey. Would it be better to have a civil ceremony in the UK as they are both UK Nationals and then arrange for a nikah to take place at the mosque as they are both Muslims too.
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Re: Wedding in Istanbul

Your daughter and her fiancé will need to go and talk to the Imam at either of the mosques about having a Nikah ceremony.

As you rightly said it is a religious ceremony and has no legal standing in either Turkey or the UK.
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Old 4th September 2013, 11:39   #3 (permalink)
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What is actually said at a nikah ceremony? do they exchange any vows??







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Re: Wedding in Istanbul Mosque?

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Hi my daughter and her fiance want to get married and when I say get married they want an islamic marriage or Nikah in either Fatih Mosque or Sulaiymaniye mosque in Istanbul. Can any one advise me as the best way to go about this.
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Imam Nikah or religious blessing is illegal in Turkey without being legally married.

please read some of these

Marriage in Turkey - All About Turkey

http://www.journalistinturkey.com/bl...disguise_1471/
Since imams in Turkey are employed by the state, so you might
wonder how it is possible that these illegal practices happen on
such large scale. One: there are a whole lot of men that call
themselves imams who are not employed by the state but who still perform imam nikah.
Two: many state imams don’t follow the official rules either, and they haven’t for a long time, since traditions are strong, very strong. And they get away with it. Like the people committing adultery or polygamy:

Turkish People | Culture of Turkey
Marriages are not conducted by the imam anymore as they were before the republic. By law they have to be civil. Approximately 40% of marriages are only civil, 50% are both civil and religious, 10% are only religious which means they are not legal

Turkish law regarding religious marriage

"The [Turkish] Civil Code clearly states that a religious marriage can only be held after the civil ceremony (Article 143 of the Civil
Code), otherwise, the couple is in breach of the Penal Code (Article230 of the Penal Code).

Furthermore, if a religious ceremony is conducted without documentary proof (i.e. the family book) that the civil ceremony has already been completed in accordance with the law, the person who conducts the religious ceremony, too, is considered to have committed a crime."



http://www.weddings-abroad-guide.com...-ceremony.html
If you would like to have a religious ceremony you must first have a civil ceremony. Many couples choose to have their civil ceremony the day before their religious ceremony or have their civil ceremony in their country of residence prior to arriving in Turkey. However, it is possible to organise a religious ceremony to immediately follow a civil ceremony.

Most religious ceremonies must take place in the relevant place of worship, and may require more time to prepare than a civil ceremony as some specific authorisation may be required from the local clerics.

You may be required to prove that you are already married so ensure that you bring your civil marriage certificate with you

http://www.unicef.org.tr/en/content/...arriage-2.html

The Penal Code forbids the holding of religious marriage ceremonies unless an official marriage ceremony has been conducted
, on pain of a 2-6-month prison sentence, According to an official study, 86 percent of married couples in Turkey have
had both a religious and a civil ceremony, and most of the remainder a civil ceremony only. However, 3.7 percent
(5.1 percent in rural areas) of couples have only been married via a religious ceremony, and this proportion rises sharply in
Eastern regions, particularly Southeast Anatolia, where it reaches 16.1 percent.184

http://www.academia.edu/226524/Non-r...ament_of_Women

http://www.wluml.org/node/339

In 1926, the Turkish Republic, founded three years before, adopted a legal code based on that of Switzerland. Civil marriage was introduced and "Islamic marriages" performed by an imam were reduced in status. Articles 230/5-6 of the Turkish Criminal Code prohibit a religious marriage ceremony unless a civil, state-recognized, official marriage has previously been contracted. The law is clear and precise, as follows:

(Article 230/5) Anyone who holds a religious marriage ceremony without a civil marriage shall be sentenced to imprisonment for a term of from two to six months. However, if a civil marriage is carried out, any public legal proceedings, sentences and other consequences thereof shall be cancelled.

(Article 230/6) Anyone who performs a religious marriage ceremony without seeking a document verifying that a marriage contract has been concluded in accordance with the law shall be sentenced to imprisonment for a period of two to six months."

Nevertheless, "imam marriages" without civil registration still take place frequently in Turkey.
Turkish laws forbidding such abuses appear to have no force. Further, the minds of ordinary people are trapped in medieval beliefs.
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Re: Wedding in Istanbul Mosque?

So basically there are laws for the marriage ceremony in Turkey and as with almost all other laws, they ignore them till it suits them. LOL.
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Thank you sooooo much you have been most helpful. Now just wish me and my family luck.
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Good luck,

I hope all goes well for them; they will probably need all uk marriage documents translated and notarised, so please leave time for that.
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