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Old 23rd May 2011, 20:12   #51 (permalink)
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Re: Islam in Turkey

Antalya, you managed to convey my exact feelings on the subject in only 12 words.

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Re: Islam in Turkey

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Turkiye is secular govenrment not religion government but %98 of population are Muslim.
We've just had a discussion about this in our office. Most interestingly our Turkish Male employee said that definately we still have a religious government through Recep Tayip Erdoğan's party. At the same time, he feels the government is trying to show a Secular front to the world.

Wolf in sheep's clothing?

This employee is from the Black Sea coast, he works in Side with us now after having worked 2 yrs in Kuşadası with me before relocating to our Side office.
He laughs about the clothing issue, as he says, ''It's not possible for Turkish women to wear less than some of the tourists in Kuşadası, they would have to go naked!''

Many areas of Turkey outside of the tourist areas have not changed one iota in the 40 yrs since I first came here, area wise this is massive and most of the people in those areas are still agricultural workers.

Minimal clothing and makeup amongst our T.V. and filmstars is really no different to our belly-dancers that hold a place way back in Turkish culture. Always acceptable, definately not the norm around the villages.
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Re: Islam in Turkey

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I agree with your friend, whilst RTE may be trying to subject everyone to a certain level of religious influence (such as making my childrens religious lessons compulsory at school!) it's still a secular judiciary. We will have to wait and see whether things change dramatically after the elections - I certainly feel there's been a drip-drip campaign of conservatism from the current party for the past few years.

I was in Kusadasi (work related) for nearly 3 years and whilst I understand your friends point I still think Turkish women are free to dress as they please - some may prefer to dress conservatively but others are FREE to dress a bit more provocatively. As such I don't see it as other Islamic countries. Again, it could be down to perception.

In our village, which is still predominantly a community financed by fishing and farming I see both - the city of Izmir (the women have a reputation for this) prides itself on being modern and forward thinking, and slowly it's influence has been felt here in the village - some of the things worn by the teachers of the primary school I wouldn't wear! (but then again, I don't wear makeup most days) but they'll sit in the cafe at lunchtime with a full face on, in short skirts and high heels whilst the women who are returning from their fields walk past in big floral pants...there's no dress code, it's down to lifestyle -scarf, short skirt, makeup, trousers - anything goes.

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Re: Islam in Turkey

Of course it depends where you live in Turkey but I would assume most of the population to be conservative in view of who they have elected.
Moreover, although as AntalyaIstanbul correctly says, the constitution is secular; I would say that not only the majority religion here is Islam but the culture is Islam too, since a country's religion always affects the culture, no matter what is written in the constitution.
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We've just had a discussion about this in our office. Most interestingly our Turkish Male employee said that definately we still have a religious government through Recep Tayip Erdoğan's party. At the same time, he feels the government is trying to show a Secular front to the world.

Wolf in sheep's clothing?

This employee is from the Black Sea coast, he works in Side with us now after having worked 2 yrs in Kuşadası with me before relocating to our Side office.
He laughs about the clothing issue, as he says, ''It's not possible for Turkish women to wear less than some of the tourists in Kuşadası, they would have to go naked!''

Many areas of Turkey outside of the tourist areas have not changed one iota in the 40 yrs since I first came here, area wise this is massive and most of the people in those areas are still agricultural workers.

Minimal clothing and makeup amongst our T.V. and filmstars is really no different to our belly-dancers that hold a place way back in Turkish culture. Always acceptable, definately not the norm around the villages.
I agree with your worker, AKP is a political religious party but they are political party and administration, not government. Turkiye government is secular in constitution and it is impossible to the change. Yes, they have a hidden agent. AKP and RTE making ''takiye''.

I think clothing style and being naked does not criterion of secularity.

Don't forget places that you said countryside of Turkiye (Side, Didim,Kuşadası etc), country life style different than city life style. Most of hotel owners are farmer 10 - 20 years ago in these places.

Belly dancing is not belog to Turkish culture.

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