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Old 7th March 2018, 18:24   #11581 (permalink)
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??? An independent anti-corruption court is all about anti corruption!

Its all well & good having an independent court for corruption but how do you get people in front of it if the police & politicians are corrupt? Independent politicians & police?

That’s the whole point of an independent anti-corruption court – it should rid us of those corrupt politicians & police.

A corruption court should start with who gunned those folks down…

Most (not all) of them are already in Russia.

but you can bet if it does come to fruition it will be about fraud, theft & tax evasion.

We hope so – that is the whole purpose of the court!
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Old 7th March 2018, 23:44   #11582 (permalink)
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You might know more about the IMF than us. Have you ever heard of the IMF laying down that type of condition in order for further loan payments? I know they tell countries what they have to sell & pull the old austerity number, even voicing concerns over corruption but demanding an independent court be set up in a sovereign nation? That's some remit they have.
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Old 8th March 2018, 08:18   #11583 (permalink)
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You might know more about the IMF than us. Have you ever heard of the IMF laying down that type of condition in order for further loan payments? I know they tell countries what they have to sell & pull the old austerity number, even voicing concerns over corruption but demanding an independent court be set up in a sovereign nation? That's some remit they have.
It’s largely IMF/EU loan funding so not unreasonable that they would want to see it spent in the manner intended. And if they seek an end to gross corruption then we are on the same page.

If you borrow money from a bank there are usually terms and conditions attached so where’s the problem?
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Old 8th March 2018, 08:53   #11584 (permalink)
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It’s largely IMF/EU loan funding so not unreasonable that they would want to see it spent in the manner intended. And if they seek an end to gross corruption then we are on the same page.

If you borrow money from a bank there are usually terms and conditions attached so where’s the problem?
They often haven't done before . Look at the money they have given and loaned to many African countries in the past. Meant to help the poor but "mismanaged" by corrupt African governments.
As for terms and conditions re loans- all they often do is load up such countries with debt they can never hope to repay any time soon - if ever.
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Maybe they have learnt a lesson and will be more cautious in future (?)

Meanwhile if they seek to pressure Ukraine re government corruption they are not alone
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Donbas war mediator accused of attempting to assassinate Ukrainian leaders, arms smuggling



"Volodymyr Ruban, a mediator in prisoner swaps between Ukraine and Russian-backed militants in Donbas, is accused of illegal firearms possession, preparing terror attacks and attempted assassination of President Petro Poroshenko and the country’s top officials, according to charges filed by the Security Service of Ukraine, known as the SBU, in Shevchenko District Court in Kyiv on March 9.

Earlier, on March 8, Ruban was arrested at the Mayorsk checkpoint near the Russian-occupied city of Horlivka in the Donetsk Oblast some 580 kilometers southeast of Kyiv while allegedly trying to smuggle a batch of weapons, including several 120-millimeter and 82-millimeter mortar mines, a 60-millimeter mortar, as well as dozen Kalashnikov assault rifles and unattached magazine cases, to Ukrainian-controlled territory.

SBU’s charge papers, obtained by the Strana.ua news outlet, allege that Ruban purchased an arsenal of firearms, mortars, mines, anti-tank rockets, and grenades, in the occupied Donbas to illegally transport it to Kyiv...


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Probably a bit off topic but I saw a lovely tv programme with Michael Potillo last night presenting a super insight into the beautiful Ukraine. Lovely to watch and very interesting. It really is worth a watch.
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Probably a bit off topic but I saw a lovely tv programme with Michael Potillo last night presenting a super insight into the beautiful Ukraine. Lovely to watch and very interesting. It really is worth a watch.
And a very welcome diversion indeed Shash, makes a change from the usual offensive posts from the usual culprits that couldn’t find it on the map.

Putting aside the language, politics & threat of invasion I can’t think of many other countries I’d rather live in & I’ve lived in a good few

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And a very welcome diversion indeed Shash, makes a change from the usual offensive posts from the usual culprits that couldn’t find it on the map.

Putting aside the language, politics & threat of invasion I can’t think of many other countries I’d rather live in & I’ve lived in a good few

http://youtu.be/qZMMJo7jOTQ
Nice to see that. Thanks. It for some reason reminded me to look at the heart wrenching Ukraine winner of the Euro vision song contest 2016. It still brings tears to my eyes listening to the voice of Jamala singing from her heart with real depth of feelings for her country. I have no idea how to put it on here but it's on YouTube. Anyone listening to it surely could not fail to be moved by it. But then!!!
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Poroshenko hails NATO’s decision to grant Ukraine status of aspirant country

“Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has welcomed NATO’s decision to grant Ukraine the status of an aspirant country and said that Kyiv’s next goal is to receive a Membership Action Plan (MAP)…

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