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Old 7th July 2014, 16:43   #1 (permalink)
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Should Ocalan be freed ?

Should Abdullah Ocalan leader of the PKK be freed ?????




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It seems that Erdoğan now has a choice: If he is serious about the peace process, then he has little choice but to free Öcalan, no matter how distasteful it might be to many Turks to see the world embrace a figure they consider to be a terrorist as some sort of Mandela reincarnate. At the same time, to keep Öcalan effectively ends, if not reverses, the peace process. The ball is in
Turkey’s court, and is a decision point solely of Turkey’s making.

Should Abdullah Öcalan Be Freed? « Commentary Magazine
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Old 7th July 2014, 18:00   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Should Ocalan be freed ?

I think he should be freed. The PKK have laid down their arms under his instruction he has also been involved in the peace talks.

It was not one sided Kurds, Armenians' and Alevis' were slaughtered for years before they took up arms to defend themselves according to Turkish, Kurdish and Alevis living in this area. One of the massacre was Dersim (or Tunceli).
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In similar ( not identical) conflicts the release of former combatants has proved crucial to advancing peace
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Old 7th July 2014, 18:29   #4 (permalink)
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Do you think it only right Erdogan should announce his intent before the Presidential campaign as it is a important decision for the Turkish nation ???
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Should Abdullah Ocalan leader of the PKK be freed ?????






It seems that Erdoğan now has a choice: If he is serious about the peace process, then he has little choice but to free Öcalan

Should Abdullah Öcalan Be Freed? « Commentary Magazine
I think that you've answered the question in your own
If he's serious about the peace process...in my opinion he doesn't give a hoot about the peace between Kurds and Turks, he uses the division between the two for his own gain. If he cared what the Kurdish population in Turkey think he wouldn't allow terrorists access and arms over Turkish borders to attack Kurdish villages in Syria and he wouldn't allow Turkish Military to escort them to the border.
He played up a ceasefire with The PKK prior to elections knowing that he would just 'shift' them into Syria where he could support attacks on them without being publicly responsible for them.
This was also prior to signing a massive deal with the Kurdish in Northern Iraq for oil.
We all remember the protests, what was his excuse for excessive force and state murder of innocent protesters...that they were somehow involved with The PKK. That's not what a man wanting peace would do.
I've hoped that over the past year people have looked through what the Turkish Government tells them regarding The PKK. The force that they used against protesters is nothing new for Kurds, for years they've been abused by police and army in certain areas. The PM says it's PKK and nobody batterers an eyelid. Which is why i don't think they will ever release Ocalan, they've put too much blame onto him and the PKK, they wont be able to do a U turn.
My personal opinion is if he was freed then it would help the peace process...but i will be very surprised if he doesn't die in prison.
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Re: Should Ocalan be freed ?

A tricky one Bal ..i agree with Rachel that Erdoğan is responsible for the escalation of terror in the border regions which will not be easily subdued.
Barzani is about to declare independence for Kurdistan in İraq whereas Erdoğan however much he denies it.....is supporting İSİS...they have a common dream..a Caliphate in old Ottoman lands
İ think he is about to shoot himself in the foot if he releases Ocalan..the man should be freed but is Erdoğan prepared to pay the price if it means it upsets his Presidency bid
although the Op is about Ocalan you cant separate events regarding his release from the fast moving events in the border areas which affects all the different factions involved

June 23, 2014 update: Salih Muslim, the co-chairman of Syrian's dominant Kurdish organization, the Democratic Union Party (PYD), explains his basis for saying that the Turkish government has been supporting ISIS. Excerpts:

"ISIS itself says it gets Turkey's support. Its media gives details of how they get assistance from Turkey and how their militants reach them via Turkey."

Why the seizure of hostages in Mosul? "Some groups within ISIS could have done it without informing the others. For their safety or to blackmail Turkey not to alter its moderate approach to ISIS. It could well be an agreed scenario."

"At the end of May, our forces attacked Al Rawiya village under ISIS control. We found Turkish documents on the bodies of ISIS militants we killed there. … Various documents attesting to their presence in Turkey."

"Let's assume it is not the official state that is assisting ISIS, but the 'deep state' or other elements. In that case, why don't Turkish officials investigate the evidence, documents and other data we have been providing to them? Why don't they enter into solidarity with us against ISIS? There are so-called humanitarian relief organizations in Turkey that help ISIS. The Turkish government tells us millions of tourists come to Turkey and they can't check all [of them] one by one. But we say, 'We have proof. Those organizations meet them at the airport, take them to the border and across to Syria.' We have said all this but they don't take action.
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Do you think it only right Erdogan should announce his intent before the Presidential campaign as it is a important decision for the Turkish nation ???
Most of the Turkish, Kurdish and Alevi people we meet up with have worked it out that the plan is to release Abdullah Ocalan because of the peace process, they have worked it out for themselves, IMHO the same is probably true for the people in Turkey.

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Old 8th July 2014, 13:03   #8 (permalink)
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I agree with mililove that it is a cynical ploy by Erdogan to illict the votes of the Kurdish people.

The Kurds have been clever though to chose Demirtas their strongest candidate to stand against Erdogan depriving him of a bulk of Kurdish votes in the first round of voting. If they are able to force a second round Erdogan will be so desperate for their votes, he will be forced to offer concrete pledges and concessions to ease the concern of the Kurdish voters to gain their support and guarantee his Presidency in the second round.

How does that leave the normal Turk on the street well it will be interesting to gauge the reactions to the concessions as one will be the release of Abdullah Ocalan which I can say without malice to Kurds, has been viewed for a long time as one of the most reviled men in Turkey. A fact taken from both Turkish/Kurdish newspapers.

Will the Turkish voters punish the AKP for this at the general election 2015 or will they just accept that it is the price paid for peace.
Will our Teflon Tyrant Erdogan care if they are punished at the polls ,he will have his prize the Presidency with extended powers . And if he gains the Presidency in the first round will he even continue with any peace process or find a excuse to ditch it as it will have served its purpose or run with it till the 2015 elections to garner votes ?
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So is it not freeing this man but the politics behind why he's being freed which is the big issue?
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The big issue depends on your perspective . Kurd ,Turk or whatever,maybe even the manner should be up there with your Question.
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