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Old 21st July 2014, 08:29   #11 (permalink)
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heres an interesting article about these savages who are set to wreak havoc over the whole region ...its intereting to note that the PM is rightly condemnıng Israels brutality he ısnt usıng the same rhetoric against this unspeakable terror which is knocking at our door

CONVERT OR GET OUT

The rapid advance of the Islamic State (IS), formerly known as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levent (ISIL), in the lands of Iraq and Syria have left us all wondering over the reasons, the nature and the purpose that such an extreme Islamic movement serves in the reshuffling of the cards currently taking place in Turkey’s neighborhood. ISIL itself, however, have left us in no doubt over their rules and understanding of life.

Their regular use of social media and their gruesome videos of the mass assassinations of those who refuse to adopt to sharia, as well as the impressive speech of the leader Bagdati from the upper gallery of Mosul’s great mosque, all made us think, that we are probably witnessing the turning of a new page in the politics of the region. ISIL seems to be here to stay. There will probably be a Part Two of an al-Qaeda type phenomenon providing the West enough justification for furthering its interventional policy towards a new “Islamic terror.”

In a world that looks increasingly more unstable, the dramatic exodus of the last remaining members of one of the oldest Christian communities in the world, would seem like a minor affair. After all we are talking about a handful of frightened people, some elderly and disabled, walking out of Mosul last Saturday under the scorching Iraqi sun. Their belongings had been robbed by ISIL fighters who took their cars and cash before sending them off.

They had to leave. The new regime of Mosul gave them no choice. The stark warning read out in the mosques last Friday and heard through loudspeakers in the city, was clear: “We offer [Christians] three choices: Islam; the dhimma contract... or if they refuse this they will have nothing but the sword,” They chose to leave. Most found refuge in other Iraqi cities not yet lost or in Iraqi Kurdistan where there is tolerance towards religious minorities.

So as of yesterday Mosul is now completely empty of Christians “for the first time in history,” said lamented Patriarch Louis Sako.

Christians had been in Mosul since the beginning of Christianity. They survived under several rules and rulers. They managed to survive under Persians, Arabs, Selçuks, Ottomans; they helped the Arab rulers by translating the works of ancient Greek authors into Arabic. Until a decade ago they numbered around 100,000. The first Iraqi war in 2003 brought an anti-minority feeling and made them targets.

Only a few thousand were left just before their final expulsion last Saturday.

But that was not the original jihadist stance. Using their favorite publicity tool, social media, ISIL had initially assured minorities that they would not touch them as long as they observe their rules. But after Friday’s announcement the rules changed.

It is this attitude to forget promises and commitments, to forfeit ancient contracts of coexistence which kept cultures and faiths of the area alive for thousands of years. And this is the most frightening of all.

To upset the cultural and faith balances by force is as dangerous and destructive as upsetting the natural environment. The Christian community of Mosul survived in a state of sharia, trusting the current rulers that they would abide by the rules of sharia, as a fully protected community, as dhimmi.

This allowed them equal rights for property, contract and residence; they could even consume pork and alcohol as long as they did not perform these acts in public. Of course, they had to pay their special tax (jizya) but their protected status was not challenged.

That ancient contract of dhimma was broken in Mosul. Last week, the caliphate of Islam asked Christians either to convert to Islam, to leave or stay and pay the jizya. After having lost their trust and being frightened for the future, they opted to go. Such contracts survived in time only through trust and historical memory. “We have lived in this city and had a civilization for thousands of years – and suddenly some strangers came and expelled us from our homes,” a Christian from Mosul said to Reuters.

Patriarch Theofilos III of Jerusalem in his official statement thinks the problem has serious implications for the future of the region. “The inhumane statement (by ISIL) is contrary to the peaceful symbiosis of Christians and Muslims in Iraq and in the entire Middle East region throughout the centuries and completely goes against the principles and values of these monotheistic religions.”

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Turkey?s public broadcaster takes M?T drama off air after ISIL warning - LOCAL


Effecting us already it seems.

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there are still dozens of Turkish hostages being held by ISIL and still ARTY isnt berating their atrocities.

Hang on though.......my cynical mind tells me that the hostages will be miraculously released maybe a day or two before the Presidential Elections ... to a huge fanfare where our great leader will be toasted with copious amounts of Ayran... anybody fancy a bet on this
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Old 21st July 2014, 23:08   #14 (permalink)
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Certainly strange goings on at the border as Shirley said.


The Turkish government is clearly alarmed by the crisis in Iraq. ISIS has threatened Turkish national security since it emerged as a key player in Syria, particularly after it took control over the strategic town of Jarablus in January. Now, the militant group seems to have increased its control over Turkey's bordering towns in Iraq as well. So why does Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan insist on referring to ISIS as an "entity," while avoiding calling it a terrorist organization?

ISIS may have become a security threat to Turkey, but many blame the very existence of this threat on the ruling Justice and Development party (AKP) itself. Turkey's open-door policy since the beginning of the Syrian crisis has allowed many Syrians jihadists to freely enter its territory, and Ankara has been accused of turning a blind eye, if not direct support, to foreign jihadists in its territory. Syrian Kurds continue to argue that Turkey provided Sunni jihadists, including ISIS, with arms and sanctuary. They allege that Turkey has done this to counter the Kurdish militant group People's Protection Unit (YPG), which it regards as the Syrian arm of the Kurdish terrorist group that has long plagued Turkey, the Kurdistan Worker's Party (PKK)

Read more: ISIS and the threat to Turkey - The Long War Journal


The media blackout imposed by Erdogans government may be because it wouldn't be a good thing for it to come out the help it has given to the " entity " by the AKP whilst he is in peace talks with the Kurds, who ISIS is fighting or look good for the would be President who is trying to chase his own Kurdish vote.

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CHP Bulent Tezcan said the records leave no room for doubt that the government has sent weapons and ammunition to the terrorist organizations al-Qaeda and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) in Syria. Tezcan held a press conference on Monday on the grounds of Parliament and shared documents about arms-laden trucks, which later proved to belong to MİT, that were stopped in Adana by security forces in January of this year. He said between 25 and 30 rockets were found in each truck. He also showed that the documents that were attached to the weaponry found on the trucks were written in Cyrillic.

He claimed that the weapons were loaded onto the trucks at Ankara Esenboğa Airport, citing official testimony from a driver of one of the trucks. Tezcan said the documents clearly show that MİT transfers weapons to armed groups in the region.

The CHP deputy chairman said anybody encouraging and provoking armed organizations will eventually find those same weapons being used on themselves. He reiterated his allegations that Turkish intelligence provides the armed organizations with ammunition and weapons. He also said the weapons that were given to ISIS have now turned against Turkish citizens and asked whether the Justice and Development Party (AK Party) government could have struck a deal with ISIS.

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Didnt isil publish a 5 year plan / manifesto that includes "the whole of the middle east" as the caliphate ?
Sometimes I wonder who really kicked off the conflict considering Hamas refused responsibility for the dead teenagers... Weird that isil are burning Palestinian flags On you tube or there are murmurs that Jordan is willing to join Isreal in a war against Isil..and where is turkey on this ? No idea considering its leader is like a toddler who can't decide what table to sit at..... Whatever IS going on with Turkey and isil it's not good... The words rock and a hard place come to mind.
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At least in the UK, Muslims are beginning to condemn it, and importantly its both shia and sunni Imams. When is Erdogan going to get the tc Diyanet to condemn it ? in for example in Friday prayers .

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The Diyanet have already condemned it,
Turkey?s religious body warns against ?declarations of Jihad? in eight languages - RELIGION
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Thanks for the link Isla hadn't heard about it. Sorry Mr Erdogan.
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I am pretty sure he had very little to do with it... and might even have something to do with that fact that so little people actually saw/ read it.....which is the greatest shame of all as this is kind of thing that needed.
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