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Old 30th May 2015, 14:59   #21 (permalink)
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Seem to remember about five years back in Didim, customs holding many refugees on the football grounds there............one night they all "escaped". Can anyone blame governments for letting these people become another countries problem?
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Seem to remember about five years back in Didim, customs holding many refugees on the football grounds there............one night they all "escaped". Can anyone blame governments for letting these people become another countries problem?
Totally agree Spurs.

But, what has happened to Kos should never have been allowed to happen

Greece is really struggling to cope, has been for a long time now. Most people in Greece & on the islands don't have much, they rely on their tourist trade as much, if not more than Turkey does.

Maybe Brussels would like to help them out by taking them in!
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Old 30th May 2015, 15:55   #23 (permalink)
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I'm sure most of us in the UK sympathise with the effects of 'wages being driven down' due to high levels of migration, people willing to work for peanuts, more beggars on the streets & getting up to mischief

The illegal trafficking of People predates the present crisis of refugee's, steps should have been taken years ago instead of allowing People Traffickers to become more powerful & wealthy.

Greece, Turkey and Illegal Immigration - Worldpress.org

The UK is less than a third the size of Turkey & has been inundated with hundreds of thousands migrating here for many years, Turkey has not, most migrants to Turkey have dosh in their pockets, others pass through.

Turkey and United Kingdom Comparison - Examine Similarities and Differences

"More than France AND Germany! England officially most overcrowded country in Europe"

England now most overcrowded major country in EU | UK | News | Daily Express

Maybe Turkey should use some of the Millions it receives each year from the coffers of the EU to feed & give shelter to these poor people. They might even see fit to give them some of their special shoe boxes......

I feel for the 'holiday makers' on Kos, they have worked hard all year, saved up, planned & looked forward to a well deserved rest & break from the depression that's growing in the UK. No doubt many of them have also contributed to the Many appeals for Aid & Money from countries effected by crisis.

I don't think any of us would like to arrive at our holiday destination to find such distress & confusion, we all need a break from realilty
The lady doth protest too much, methinks LOL

I only said "ask" . there was no criticism of the UK just facts , and another opinion from a involved country that seems to be having the same problem
over wages driven down etc and having to deal with an inordinate amount of refugee's.

Turkey is appreciative of the aid that is given by the UK , through the UN which Turkey is also a contributer and is then shared with Lebanon ,Jordan.

remembering the aid its for the Syrian refugees that the help is given . I don't think anyone has critisised the open heart shown by the UK

overcrowding

Poor Lebanon has over 1.5 million and smaller than the UK . Lebanon has the highest per capita concentration of refugees worldwide, with 25 percent of its population comprised of Syrian refugees.

Turkey also tries with aid, it has contributed more than $1bn in humanitarian aid last year, making it the fourth-largest government donor, and highlights the role of new countries in the aid stakes .

Not bad for a country with a GDP, what was it your figures said Turkey $15,300 UK $37,300 US


Your right to have a go a Erdogan's govt and shoe boxes, as I do, its disgraceful.

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Totally agree Spurs.

But, what has happened to Kos should never have been allowed to happen

Greece is really struggling to cope, has been for a long time now. Most people in Greece & on the islands don't have much, they rely on their tourist trade as much, if not more than Turkey does.

Maybe Brussels would like to help them out by taking them in!
Kos will be off most people`s holiday list for a while methinks.
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Send them all back & destroy all the damn boats. Sod 'em !!!
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It would appear that those in Turkey who so wish are permitted ( blind eye ) to leave the Bodrum area and head to Kos.

It is so easy to criticise but the Greek islanders are not universally well off themselves.

Thy are economic migrants , otherwise they would stay in the countries close to home , no , the benefits and ease of life in Europe is the only reason for most to risk the further trip.

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The lady doth protest too much, methinks LOL

I only said "ask" . there was no criticism of the UK just facts , and another opinion from a involved country that seems to be having the same problem
over wages driven down etc and having to deal with an inordinate amount of refugee's.

Turkey is appreciative of the aid that is given by the UK , through the UN which Turkey is also a contributer and is then shared with Lebanon ,Jordan.

remembering the aid its for the Syrian refugees that the help is given . I don't think anyone has critisised the open heart shown by the UK

overcrowding

Poor Lebanon has over 1.5 million and smaller than the UK . Lebanon has the highest per capita concentration of refugees worldwide, with 25 percent of its population comprised of Syrian refugees.

Turkey also tries with aid, it has contributed more than $1bn in humanitarian aid last year, making it the fourth-largest government donor, and highlights the role of new countries in the aid stakes .

Not bad for a country with a GDP, what was it your figures said Turkey $15,300 UK $37,300 US

Your right to have a go a Erdogan's govt and shoe boxes, as I do, its disgraceful.
Why, thank you kind sir

GDP isn't indicative of the cost of living in a particular place.

I do wonder 'what' the zillions of trillions of aid dispensed around the world are actually used for?

"List of countries by foreign aid received"

List_of_countries_by_foreign_aid_received List_of_countries_by_foreign_aid_received

Turkey's largesse is with other countries monies! It receives far more in aid than it gives.......

"The international development bill passed its third reading in the House of Lords on Monday and will now receive royal assent. Britain met the 0.7% target for the first time last year when it spent £11.4bn – or 0.72% of its GNI – on overseas aid."

http://www.theguardian.com/global-de...centage-income

Meanwhile, Kos has been saturated by illegal immigrants ferried in mainly by Turks, the impact is immense both economically & socially devastating!

Maybe Turkey isn't too fussed? it's not as if there's a lot of love lost between Turkey & Greece
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Why, thank you kind sir

GDP isn't indicative of the cost of living in a particular place.

I do wonder 'what' the zillions of trillions of aid dispensed around the world are actually used for?

"List of countries by foreign aid received" LOL

List of countries by foreign aid received - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Turkey's largesse is with other countries monies! It receives far more in aid than it gives.......

"The international development bill passed its third reading in the House of Lords on Monday and will now receive royal assent. Britain met the 0.7% target for the first time last year when it spent £11.4bn – or 0.72% of its GNI – on overseas aid."

UK passes bill to honour pledge of 0.7% foreign aid target | Global development | The Guardian

Meanwhile, Kos has been saturated by illegal immigrants ferried in mainly by Turks, the impact is immense both economical & social devastating!

Maybe Turkey isn't too fussed? it's not as if there's a lot of love lost between Turkey & Greece
O ye, of little faith ms tintagel

official development assistance (ODA) is also made up of loans, and as a progressive country intent of improving infrastructure eg road rail etc which country isn't going to take up the offer of these loans but they must be paid back (unless you are Greek maybe ) and Turkey is willing to, and is doing the same . They also give contribute to the peace keeping programme which isn't included in (ODA) .

You keep pushing the UK contribution and it is admirable and as I have said before. Its open heart policy is second to none .But did not the party you have on the bottom of your posts, want to slash that very Aid, you quite rightly proud of to post here .

I give you maybe more should be done stopping the crimminal trafficers but that is a world wide problem just ask the Netherlands with the Chinese trafficers . You also have the quick buck opportunists difficult to catch .

And Turkey does have a Erdogan govt that is not pro west so may not as you say "isn't too fussed "


I don't think its right to shift the blame to another country who is not a EU member for not doing enough whilst EU members aren't and have open borders between their own countries which allows them to congregate at the most economically viable country for them .Or to imply Turkey is intentionally adding to Greek woes .

Have you had a look at SYRIZA immigration policy asking for the abolition of "Dublin 2 and issuing arriving migrants with Greek papers so they can freely move throughout the EU (out of Greece really and to pass the problem )

You would be surprised how many Turks like Greeks and how many don't even no Greeks but the Govts butt heads regualary and tell them how bad the history is .

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official development assistance (ODA) is also made up of loans, and as a progressive country intent of improving infrastructure eg road rail etc which country isn't going to take up the offer of these loans but they must be paid back (unless you are Greek maybe ) and Turkey is willing to, and is doing the same . They also give contribute to the peace keeping programme which isn't included in (ODA) .

Oh common Bal, Turkey gets pots of free money! eg's

It is madness to give Turkey this huge cash bribe | Express Comment | Comment | Daily Express

Britain gives £80m in aid to Turkey to help upgrade nation¿s sewer system | Daily Mail Online

Among the schemes being paid for are a Turkish television channel, a scheme promoting tourism in Iceland’s national park, and a hotel training waiters in the tourist destination of Barbados.

Ford's £80m EU loan to boost Turkey factory - and close ours (From Daily Echo)


You keep pushing the UK contribution and it is admirable and as I have said before. Its open heart policy is second to none .But did not the party you have on the bottom of your posts, want to slash that very Aid, you quite rightly proud of to post here .

The essence of giving is not to feel a sense of Pride (imo) it's more along the lines of 'there but for the grace of God go I' I feel no 'pride' in what our government gives away, most of it is abused & wasted, very little reaches the people who need it most.

British still giving hundreds of millions of pounds in aid to wealthy countries - Telegraph


I give you maybe more should be done stopping the crimminal trafficers but that is a world wide problem just ask the Netherlands with the Chinese trafficers . You also have the quick buck opportunists difficult to catch .

To remain on-topic, lets keep this exchange of views to the subject matter. Turkey never does anything to combat corruption, greed & theft - no change there

And Turkey does have a Erdogan govt that is not pro west so may not as you say "isn't too fussed "

Doesn't stop them taking millions in so-called 'accession grants' from the EU every year

I don't think its right to shift the blame to another country who is not a EU member for not doing enough whilst EU members aren't and have open borders between their own countries which allows them to congregate at the most economically viable country for them .Or to imply Turkey is intentionally adding to Greek woes .

You may not think it's right, doesn't mean to say that's not how it rolls.

Have you had a look at SYRIZA immigration policy asking for the abolition of "Dublin 2 and issuing arriving migrants with Greek papers so they can freely move throughout the EU (out of Greece really and to pass the problem )

It's what I'd call 'being stuck between a brick & a hard place'

You would be surprised how many Turks like Greeks and how many don't even no Greeks but the Govts butt heads regualary and tell them how bad the history is .

Would I? Have you been to Cyprus at all? They aren't fond of Turkey
Meanwhile the good ole British public chip in a bit too...........

"Thirty new charities are set up every day, on average, in England and Wales. Most of them begin around a family kitchen table. There are, today, 164,108 charities in this country. Almost half of them raise less than £10,000 a year. Three-quarters have an annual income of below £100,000. Only 1 per cent handle more than £5m annually.

Small charities are, according to the chair of the Charity Commissioners, William Shawcross, "the lifeblood" of a sector of the economy with a total annual income of £64bn. "Rather more than the defence budget," he wryly adds."

Donating to charity: Are we getting as good as we give? - Features - Health & Families - The Independent

Whilst our government throws billions of our money away every year, I personally will only give to local causes & charities.

When I was a frequent traveller to Turkey I helped support local animal & children's charities. I'm all for giving a 'helping hand', I just get really p'd off when it's a con
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Maybe if Turkey & others had stepped up to the plate when asked by NATO there might not be so many refugees.
I don't doubt many are fleeing for their lives but for me it would be the WHOLE of my family on one of them boats or none at all.
What Med country is going to be hell bent on containing all these refugees? The news reports are continuously showing refugees moving about like locals, God only know how many hundreds of thousands are now roaming around the "Promised Land" called the EU.

A man made bloody disaster, I feel sorry for them, for the refugees & the areas/countries that are being swamped. Lets be honest we are not even anywhere near the end of it.
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