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Old 11th January 2019, 14:08   #6491 (permalink)
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Perhaps one solution to the problem is for people like Trumpty not to employ illegals, and btw most drugs shipments pass through the port system not through the southern border.
Oh and that's it is it, Trump employs illegals so that's the cause of the border issue?
Why have previous Presidents funded & been responsible for erecting fencing & barriers along that Southern border? There was erected fencing etc well before Trump came on the scene.
Look on YouTube, look for the interviews from the people who live in the US towns close to that border along with the actual border forces who "try" to secure it. See how they feel or don't they count...........
If we never had the English Channel we would be in the same situation. There's a process to enter ANY country, if you want to blank that process then you're an illegal.
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Old 11th January 2019, 14:27   #6492 (permalink)
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More illegals traverse the northern border , Canada will not pay for a wall either .

If the flow of drugs and labour stopped the Usa would have a civil war on it's hands , well i mean a biglier one than they currently suffer .

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Old 11th January 2019, 14:31   #6493 (permalink)
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More illegals traverse the northern border , Canada will not pay for a wall either .

If the flow of drugs and labour stopped the Usa would have a civil war on it's hands , well i mean a biglier one than they currently suffer .

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With that attitude.........why even have a border there?
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Old 11th January 2019, 14:40   #6494 (permalink)
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More illegals traverse the northern border , Canada will not pay for a wall either .

If the flow of drugs and labour stopped the Usa would have a civil war on it's hands , well i mean a biglier one than they currently suffer .

Make cannabis legal, rehab the rest and make hard drug dealing a capital offence.

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And if Trump & others ceased the practice of employing illegals then they would be less likely to immigrate & there would be better prospects for unskilled Americans.

The employment of illegal immigrants is a federal offence..

The Law Against Hiring or Harboring Illegal Aliens | Federation for American Immigration Reform

Mark up another one against our dear Donald!
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Old 11th January 2019, 14:49   #6495 (permalink)
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I would've thought the employment of illegal immigrants is an offence in any country but employer continue to do it.
What are "borders" actually there for if not to process who or what is coming through.
There are walls/fences/barriers right around the EUs external borders & if there wasn't, there would be hell to play.
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I would've thought the employment of illegal immigrants is an offence in any country but employer continue to do it.
What are "borders" actually there for if not to process who or what is coming through.
There are walls/fences/barriers right around the EUs external borders & if there wasn't, there would be hell to play.
https://www.google.com/search?client...WALL+POINTLESS

Typical comment ... "Trump's Pointless Border Stunt Was a Masterclass in Painful Stupidity".
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Old 11th January 2019, 15:01   #6497 (permalink)
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Oh and that's it is it, Trump employs illegals so that's the cause of the border issue?
Why have previous Presidents funded & been responsible for erecting fencing & barriers along that Southern border? There was erected fencing etc well before Trump came on the scene.
Look on YouTube, look for the interviews from the people who live in the US towns close to that border along with the actual border forces who "try" to secure it. See how they feel or don't they count...........
If we never had the English Channel we would be in the same situation. There's a process to enter ANY country, if you want to blank that process then you're an illegal.
I note that you do not address the fact that Trumpty is employing illegals, which btw the FBI are investigating. You also do not make any reference to an actual plan for such a wall to be built, which you cannot, because there is no plan.

Talking about how people on the border feel about the problem, you also fail to mention, or perhaps are not even aware that there are some people who are against it and for good reason. Some people are still in a legal fight with the Govt over compensation for parts of their land that was taken during a period of fence building ten years ago.

Trumpty uses the same talking points as he did during the campaign, not done because he has a plan to implement them, but because it gets him lots of cheers from his base. Building the wall, locking Clinton up, getting rid of the ACA and replacing it with a better system, all suffer from the same fact, and that is there is no plan, just like his withdrawal from Syria, no thought, no discussion, no plan.

Failing to plan is planning to fail, and so far on the wall, locking up Clinton and replacing the ACA he has failed.
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Old 11th January 2019, 15:05   #6498 (permalink)
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https://www.google.com/search?client...WALL+POINTLESS

Typical comment ... "Trump's Pointless Border Stunt Was a Masterclass in Painful Stupidity".
Not to the US citizens who have paid the price for a porous border.
As said, there's a process to enter the USA, just like any other country. There's probably hundreds of millions who want to move there but it just doesn't work like that, in fact it doesn't work like that ANYWHERE.

Don't listen to what Trump says, listen to those actually patrolling that border, just listen to what they're up against daily.
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Old 11th January 2019, 15:58   #6499 (permalink)
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I note that you do not address the fact that Trumpty is employing illegals, which btw the FBI are investigating. You also do not make any reference to an actual plan for such a wall to be built, which you cannot, because there is no plan.

Talking about how people on the border feel about the problem, you also fail to mention, or perhaps are not even aware that there are some people who are against it and for good reason. Some people are still in a legal fight with the Govt over compensation for parts of their land that was taken during a period of fence building ten years ago.

Trumpty uses the same talking points as he did during the campaign, not done because he has a plan to implement them, but because it gets him lots of cheers from his base. Building the wall, locking Clinton up, getting rid of the ACA and replacing it with a better system, all suffer from the same fact, and that is there is no plan, just like his withdrawal from Syria, no thought, no discussion, no plan.

Failing to plan is planning to fail, and so far on the wall, locking up Clinton and replacing the ACA he has failed.
Then like any employer he should pay the penalty, obviously he interviews & checks all of his own employees details.......... lol
Hopefully you now consider that point addressed by me.

Trump not going to Davos, I bet there's a few sighs of relief.

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Then like any employer he should pay the penalty, obviously he interviews & checks all of his own employees details.......... lol
Hopefully you now consider that point addressed by me.
You start by saying that he should pay the penalty for illegal actions, but then immediately make excuses for him.

Illegal crossings on the southern border have been dropping steadily for the last 20 odd years. Obama was know as the 'Deporter in chief' because of the number of illegals he deported.

The current humanitarian crisis that is ongoing on the border is because of the actions taken by Trumpty. You talk of a process for entering the US as any other country, those processes differ for refugees and asylum seekers throughout the World. however the process as a whole is governed by the national laws of the individual country and International law.

Trumpty has denied both people who are refugees and asylum seekers due process under both US and International Law. Systems were already in place to cope with illegals, Trumpty has dissolved those systems causing a complete backlog in the process stages.

Building a wall is not going to stop refugees and asylum seekers, it is also not going to stop drugs flooding into the country as the vast majority of drugs that are smuggled pour in through the port system. The amount of illegals in the country is also not going to be greatly affected by a wall, because again the vast majority are people who enter via flights and the northern border who overstay their visa. If the sole true purpose was to reduce the problem of 'illegals' and drugs in the country, then the main problem areas would be addressed. I am not saying that no illegals enter via the southern border and that nothing should be done about it, it is just a fact that the proportion of the problems on the southern border do not warrant such a so called solution.

The fact that there was never a plan to deal with the so called national crisis at the southern border is borne out by the lies that Trumpty has told in order to justify his comments. Mexico is not paying for the wall. just as he has not reduced the national debt, in fact it has grown by 2 trillion in 2 years because of his debt burdening policies. He is now considering making it a national emergency thereby taking money from the military budget to pay towards the wall. So his so called great military will have a lower budget, disaster relief funds will suffer and yet Mexico were supposed to pay for it.

When you talk of Border agents calling for a wall are you forgetting that many Republicans do not agree with a wall, that is why its funding has never been agreed on even when they had control of the Senate and Congress. Why do you think that the leader of the Senate will not call a vote on the Govt funding, its because they already voted for the bill, that did not involve money for the wall and the Trumpty refused to sign it, so again it shows that even the vast majority of Republican lawmakers and Senators do not agree there is a need for the wall.

There is a national emergency in the US, and its not about illegal immigration, its about places not having access to clean drinking water because the Republicans preferred profit over health, its also about voter suppression, were people who lean towards the Democrats have their voting rights suppressed. It is about no holds barred agreements given to big corporations that then drill, pollute and sell insecticides that have been proven harmful to people's health all in the name of profit. Trumpty has revoked many laws that offered protection to the public.

Your rush to defend Trumpty at every turn is the same as the Republican party as a whole, the conservative ideology is more important than the rule of law and what at times, what is morally correct to do.
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