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Old 14th January 2016, 08:56   #101 (permalink)
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn possible reshuffle of Shadow Cabinet

Nah! he might not take us into stupid foreign wars, we would miss that.
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I doubt he would authorise a soldier to use his gun .
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Old 14th January 2016, 09:00   #103 (permalink)
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I doubt he would authorise a soldier to use his gun .
Ah, but we wouldn't have as many army widows as we do now. They may disagree with you.
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Old 14th January 2016, 09:02   #104 (permalink)
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Nah! he might not take us into stupid foreign wars, we would miss that.
That would be OK Rob. I am retired now and no longer need the business....
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Ah, but we wouldn't have as many army widows as we do now. They may disagree with you.
I meant to defend us if terrorists were attacking us here in uk.

I don't think we should be the worlds cannon fodder .

It's my opinion Corbyn is weak and a pacifist without the courage to stand up militarily against an enemy of ours .

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And yet they are cannon fodder with our present regimes, more Iraq and Afghanistan anyone? Bit of bombing in Syria? lets get the troops in Libya,that will do nicely.
You may think him a pacifist but his stated aim is not that, it is anti nuclear a completely different topic.
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From Simon Jenkins



Corbyn was right on Iraq. He was right on Syria. He is right on Islamic State. On the idiocy, waste and vacuous drivel that constitutes “the case for Trident”, he has been right. Fighting him on it just to make Labour seem macho makes no sense.

Defence is an area where governments are notoriously beholden to archaism and special interests – and where oppositions have a duty of challenge. The idea that opposition to the renewal of Trident is an extreme policy confined to the British left is absurd. Anyone reading the recent literature on the nuclear deterrent can reach only one conclusion. It is daft.


How did Hilary Benn, Maria Eagle, Charles Falconer and Paul Kenny choose Trident as the totem of revolt?

When the late defence chief Michael Carver famously asked of Trident, “What the bloody hell is it for?”, an informed guess was that roughly half his senior colleagues agreed, including most army generals. Former defence secretaries Des Browne (Labour) and Michael Portillo (Conservative) have come out against Trident. So have military experts from Hugh Beach to Patrick Cordingley. So has the formerly pro-nuclear defence pundit Michael Howard.

Trident’s defenders have been largely confined to naval and defence industry lobbyists and a few Conservative MPs. The late Michael Quinlan, for long the high priest of nuclear deterrence, scrupulously held that the case needed regular review. In his final Chatham House essay (and then book) in 2006, he doubted if the “highly unspecific strategic arguments” for a separate British deterrent would long justify its soaring cost.



Since the coalition government came to power in 2010, immunity to reason has been obligatory among Trident apologists. Rumour had it that Cameron, possibly on Trident and certainly on aircraft carriers, was a sceptic. That was before the lobbies got to him. The cost of the programme soared from £20bn in 2004 to somewhere north of £100bn today and fails to stop. Quinlan would surely have washed his hands at this point. The new Astute class submarines, replacing Vanguard, have been cursed by cost and technical problems.

At the end of last year George Osborne took such fright at Trident’s chaotic cost as to remove the programme entirely from defence control and bring it under the Treasury. With grim humour, he equated it to the Olympics and HS2, thus stamping it as reckless vanity with no known link to sanity.

Trident seems to bring out the worst in politicians. Cameron recently said that Trident was needed to defend Britain against North Korea. Did he really get a first class degree in politics, philosophy and economics? Others have cited Trident variously against Isis, random terrorists, and a resurgent Russia. It is on a par with Sir Humphrey in Yes, Prime Minister, who said it was to deter France
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Go on, you tell`em Rob.
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I watched it too , i wish Camoron had been there to answer questions not peddle irrelevant and often incorrect rhetoric.

Questions to the Prime Minister , one would think with this level of priveleged education he would understand the proposition.

PS..... Cameron was rubbish at first , Blair roasted him time after time , really he is jot much better now , just bluster and red faced huff 'n puff , with the bovine accompianment from his cohort of fellow traveller , i'm alright Gideon , parliamentarians.

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I watched it too , i wish Camoron had been there to answer questions not peddle irrelevant and often incorrect rhetoric.

Questions to the Prime Minister , one would think with this level of priveleged education he would understand the proposition.

PS..... Cameron was rubbish at first , Blair roasted him time after time , really he is jot much better now , just bluster and red faced huff 'n puff , with the bovine accompianment from his cohort of fellow traveller , i'm alright Gideon , parliamentarians.

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