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Old 30th December 2015, 13:28   #21 (permalink)
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Dan Jarvis or Alan Johnson
They both voted for the Syrian war recently. Alan Johnson; not impressed, he's quite good in a controlled setting, comes across as affable & reasonable but recently I watched him participate in a debate on the in/out referendum on BBC2, loud mouthed bully boy is what I thought of his behaviour, interrupting, shouting down everybody who didn't hold the same view as he Dan Jarvis had his chance & bottled it... Too weak.

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This should also have applied to Corbyn himself! How could he have stood knowing that "if" he ever got elected as Prime Minister, he wouldn’t use Britain’s nuclear weapons to defend the country. He's emphatically stated that, regardless of the circumstances, or of official Labour Party policy, which currently supports the U.K.’s nuclear deterrent, Corbyn personally would never order Britain’s military to press the button.
“If you’ve got a nuclear deterrent, you have got to be willing to use it in extreme circumstances, or it isn’t a deterrent,” Surely this is a conflict of interest that should have ruled him out of standing for head of the Labour party in the first place!

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Who would, or would not Press the Red Button is (imo) a red herring. Whoever is PM if (God forbid) the day comes when someone has to make that decision, Won't be the PM of the day - above his/her pay grade!
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They both voted for the Syrian war recently. Alan Johnson; not impressed, he's quite good in a controlled setting, comes across as affable & reasonable but recently I watched him participate in a debate on the in/out referendum on BBC2, loud mouthed bully boy is what I thought of his behaviour, interrupting, shouting down everybody who didn't hold the same view as he Dan Jarvis had his chance & bottled it... Too weak.



Who would, or would not Press the Red Button is (imo) a red herring. Whoever is PM if (God forbid) the day comes when someone has to make that decision, Won't be the PM of the day - above his pay grade!
What you mean is Alan Johnson made a monkey out of the UKIP spokesperson
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Old 30th December 2015, 13:43   #23 (permalink)
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn possible reshuffle of Shadow Cabinet

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I wasn't aware that there was any "vituperative spleen" in my post.

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In concert with the right wingers like our own Yalides, cant recall any info on Militant "infiltrators" during the leadership election, any details?


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In 1997, Militant Labour changed its name to the Socialist Party of England and Wales, and the Militant newspaper was renamed The Socialist. Between 1998 and January 2001 the Scottish section of the Committee for a Workers' International (CWI), Scottish Militant Labour, proposed the formation of the Scottish Socialist Party with a number of other groups, together with a change in the political character of the Scottish section. In 2001 they broke with the CWI with a minority in Scotland remaining.
I know most of them around here and helped to get rid of them last time they put their heads above the parapits,so the evidence I have is very personal
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What you mean is Alan Johnson made a monkey out of the UKIP spokesperson
Nope, he showed his true colours, loud mouth bully boy.
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Nope, he showed his true colours, loud mouth bully boy.
That's how you explain your deputy leaders performance she was crap and had no answers ,ok while on a rostrum preaching to the right wing nutters of UKIP but falls apart when challenged
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That's how you explain your deputy leaders performance she was crap and had no answers ,ok while on a rostrum preaching to the right wing nutters of UKIP but falls apart when challenged
LOL, that's not how I 'explain' anything...

The above could perhaps have been said by a staunch labourite ever on the attack, had he confined his rude & contemptuous behaviour to the UKIP dept leader, (she's no shrinking violet ), sadly he treated everyone with a different opinion in the same manner & showed his true colours.

Rather explains why this hitherto seemingly, affable & reasonable figure, stayed so powerful within the Labour party for so many years
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I wasn't aware that there was any "vituperative spleen" in my post.

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Bill , was not directly aimed at you Sir , which is why i did not quote you , my protest was and is against the media in general which i consider to be two faced in these matters.

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This should also have applied to Corbyn himself! How could he have stood knowing that "if" he ever got elected as Prime Minister, he wouldn’t use Britain’s nuclear weapons to defend the country. He's emphatically stated that, regardless of the circumstances, or of official Labour Party policy, which currently supports the U.K.’s nuclear deterrent, Corbyn personally would never order Britain’s military to press the button.
“If you’ve got a nuclear deterrent, you have got to be willing to use it in extreme circumstances, or it isn’t a deterrent,” Surely this is a conflict of interest that should have ruled him out of standing for head of the Labour party in the first place!

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Against whom , pray tell could we use a nuclear deterrent ? Over whose sovereign lands could we launch it , how would we acquire permission from friendly states to contaminate both them and their countrymen with nuclear fall out.

Everybody is next to somebody , just how can you square the circle ?

Can't be done.

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Why not ask Labour?.....

Back in 2002 the then "Labour" Defence Minister Geoff Hoon publically anounced on TV that " if British troops were threatened by chemical or biological weapons, the UK government reserved the right to use nuclear weapons."

British and Nato policy after the Prague summit | Environment | The Guardian

To date, David Cameron has said there are circumstances in which he would launch a nuclear attack on another country.

The PM described nuclear bombs as “the ultimate insurance policy” and said the attack could be “justified”.

Meanwhile, the Opposition’s official policy remains in support of Trident after the party’s leadership failed to secure a policy vote to change it at annual conference.

David Cameron says that he would use nuclear weapons | UK Politics | News | The Independent

Remember that not all nuclear weapon are strategic, a lot come under the banner of being Tactical, which Russia is prepared to send in to Crimea just to stop NATO expansionism.

Russia declares right to deploy nuclear weapons to Crimea - and may already have done so | Europe | News | The Independent

Pakistan is declaring that it will develop tactical battlefield nuclear weapons, and that they are intended for use against India’s conventional forces.

Pakistan Will Use Tactical Nuclear Weapons Against India

I don't see the likes of Russia, Pakistan, Iran or North Korea bothering with the niceties of "acquiring permission" to use their WMD or even bothering to "square the circle"
Sadly I think Corbyn is deluded if he thinks otherwise!

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