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Muslim Migration

Earlier this week the forme head of the equalities watchdog said.

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One of the major issues in the present crisis in Europe, is the integration of huge masses entering Europe and their ability to work with their host countries giving them refuge. This has already been seen to be problematical, due to a number of factors, one of which is their religious beliefs.

Someone who has studied this is Dr. Peter Hammond whose doctorate is Theology and wrote a book. Slavery, Terrorism and Islam. Historical roots and contemporary threat. His contention is that Islam is not a religion, nor a cult but 100% system of life with religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component being a cover for all of the other components with Islamisation beginning when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.

When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well. If the Muslim population remains around or under 3% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving Minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

United States -- Muslim 2%
Australia -- Muslim 2.5%
Canada -- Muslim 2.8%
Norway -- Muslim 2.8%
China -- Muslim 2.9%
Italy -- Muslim 2.5%

At 3% to 8%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:

Denmark -- Muslim 5%
Germany -- Muslim 6.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 7.7%
Spain -- Muslim 8%
Thailand -- Muslim 7.6%

From 8% on, they begin exercising an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.For example, pushing for the introduction of halal food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. Increase pressure on supermarket chains to have halal food on their shelves, along with threats for failure to comply.

This is occurring in:-

France -- Muslim 12%
Philippines -- 9%
Sweden -- Muslim 8%
Switzerland -- Muslim 8.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 8.5%
Trinidad& Tobago -- Muslim 10.8% .

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists being to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 15% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons, and films about Islam.Such tensions seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

Guyana -- Muslim 15%
India -- Muslim 19.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16% Kenya -- Muslim 18%
Russia -- Muslim 21%

Reaching 25%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4% Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80%, daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim. Experienced and in some ways on-going in:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97% Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% ushers in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 100%.

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

It is also important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not try to enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To associate with an infidel can be a crime punishable with death.Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

Today's 2 billion Muslims make up 28% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers and it is this that will be the biggest crisis that Europe faces

Muslims are not like us, race equality chief says | The Times
How Islam progressively takes over countries | God Reports

My thought are that, whilst not entirely factual, there's a lot of truth in what he says!

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This is just racist crap thinly disguised as an academic study. Anyone with half a brain should be able to see through this, unfortunately there are many out there who will use it to reinforce their nasty racist views.
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This is just racist crap thinly disguised as an academic study. Anyone with half a brain should be able to see through this, unfortunately there are many out there who will use it to reinforce their nasty racist views.
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This is just racist crap thinly disguised as an academic study. Anyone with half a brain should be able to see through this, unfortunately there are many out there who will use it to reinforce their nasty racist views.
This is a 'Discussion' Forum; an exchange of views, opinions & thoughts. It really does P me off big time when someone tries to stifle, slap down, shut-up or influence the path/tone of others who may want to discuss situations civilly, without being immediately labelled as "Racist" for doing so!.

By the by, the UK is very pliant & ahead of the statistics in the original post in some fields as we already have a majority of supermarkets in the UK foisting Halal foods on the general public. Thereby also providing Halal friendly jobs- whether the Majority want it, like it, or Not!
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This is just racist crap.
Racist = A person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another:

racist - definition of racist in English from the Oxford dictionary

It's very easy to come out and call someone a racist, but can they substantiate it? Remember, it's only racist if it's "not true.
One might not like or even agree with what he's written, but is it factual?

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The problem with showing percentages is what the starting figures are?

10% of 100 is 10, we get that but when we talk about a percentage of 1.7 million its a different ball game, why? Well for most of us we never use or see 1.7 million of anything in our lives, to the man on the street its just considered to be "a lot".

When people want to duck serious issues, out comes the phrase "a small percentage",

I would like the answers to these small percentages. With what the actual NUMBERS are?

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What are the actual NUMBERS for how many of the 1.7 million are expected to go back to the ME?

What are the NUMBERS that are actually expected to fully integrate in the EU?

What are the NUMBERS who expect or even want to live under Shari Law in the EU?

What are the NUMBERS of potential jihadist amongst this 1.7 million?

All those type of questions get the response of "a small percentage", my feelings are, if you know the "percentage" & are quite happy to quote it then you should know the starting figure................WE DONT.
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What are the actual NUMBERS for how many of the 1.7 million are expected to go back to the ME?.
Germany's Merkel says refugees must return home once war is over

Germany's Merkel says refugees must return home once war is over | Reuters

I can't realistically see that happening. When the Bosnians fled to Germany in the 90s during the problems in the Balkans, only 70% of the refugees returned.

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What are the NUMBERS who expect or even want to live under Shari Law in the EU?.
Can't say for the whole of Europe, but it's thought that there's an estimated 80 sharia councils exist today in the UK

https://fullfact.org/law/are-there-8...ourts-britain/

The UN predicts another One million refugees will try to enter Europe in 2016, then they'll be able to call on the rest of the families to join them.

One million refugees will try to enter Europe in 2016, UN predicts | Europe | News | The Independent

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What are the NUMBERS of potential jihadist amongst this 1.7 million?.
Last Nov The Express claimed that more than 4,000 covert ISIS gunmen had been smuggled into western nations – hidden amongst innocent refugees.

Islamic State reveals it has smuggled THOUSANDS of extremists into Europe | World | News | Daily Express

Our government/EUssr should be giving us these factual numbers so we can make our mind minds up on this important issue.

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Normally this Christian Fundamentalist convert, zealot, missionary, Dr P Hammonds work is the darling of the neo Nazis sites only reaching the pages of likes of the BNP online mag were his works been published before ,or the likes of the erroneous misinformation factory the Front Page Mag , the online site where like minded people go to find spurious arguments , that make them feel better about thier own intolerence towards Muslims (no implication meant on poster as in a supposedly reputable paper ) and were this piece was first published in 2008 with his figures coming from the CIA world fact book (sic) 2007. (of course he has updated his figures from then) .

but in the present climate of hate in newspapers and need for more anti refugee storys ,these "anti" pieces are resurfacing , and now hitting popular press.

And we are seeing the unfortunate vigilante results, of gangs of hooded men beating whoever they can find that looks like the "other "

Apart from his many other anti Islamic pieces his other fundamentalist works inc

How Barack Obama Is Crafting A New Evil (Anti-Christian) Empire by Dr. Peter Hammond ,Still Waters Revival Books evangelical site

The book, The Pink Agenda: The Ruin of the Family, was co-authored by Christian activists Christine McCafferty and Peter Hammond.
The Lesbian and Gay Equality Project (LGEP) has described the book as "the worst example of homophobic hate speech ever published in South Africa".

Critic of Mandela, according to Hammond, the young former president and hero of the country, was anything but a hero because he promoted evil and sin in the land. He added that Mandela was a terrorist who encouraged his people to have abortions and supported homosexuality and pornography.

Who is dr peter hammond ?

It is very difficult to get an answer to this. He is reputed to have a doctorate in missiology but in every such statement, it after this is stated, "was granted an HONORARY doctorate in missiology".I cannot find any record of such a doctorate in any University of any type.

He has written many politically and religiously far right publications. Such make the religious right of the US, quite " leftist in comparison.

His themes show that calvinism, to be almost more relevant than the bible itself, propounding that God himself chose selected persons through history to be damned to hell. Not by their actions, but by Gods will. In this he debunks Christian belief that persons can choose by responding who they will serve.
If God selected whom he would have believe, then why does Hammond rail against Catholicism, because despite catholicism being a heresy as he believes,
all whom God has chosen, are saved anyway. He condemns arminianism which shows hat mankind does indeed have a choice.
Who is dr peter hammond

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Bal, I have no affiliation or support for Dr Peter Hammond or his views, I saw this blog of his on another forum and thought it was worth posting on TLF for discussion, I'm just going on this one piece of work of his.
I remember a book by Sir Winston Churchill The River war in which he gave his views on muslims an 1899 account of the Sudan campaign:-

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How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.
Winston Churchill's Brutal Takedown of Islam is PERFECT | The Federalist Papers

Yet he was never deemed a racist!

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Normally this Christian Fundamentalist convert, zealot, missionary, Dr P Hammonds work is the darling of the neo Nazis sites only reaching the pages of likes of the BNP online mag were his works been published before ,or the likes of the erroneous misinformation factory the Front Page Mag , the online site where like minded people go to find spurious arguments , that make them feel better about thier own intolerence towards Muslims (no implication meant on poster as in a supposedly reputable paper ) and were this piece was first published in 2008 with his figures coming from the CIA world fact book (sic) 2007. (of course he has updated his figures from then) .

but in the present climate of hate in newspapers and need for more anti refugee storys ,these "anti" pieces are resurfacing , and now hitting popular press.

And we are seeing the unfortunate vigilante results, of gangs of hooded men beating whoever they can find that looks like the "other "

Apart from his many other anti Islamic pieces his other fundamentalist works inc

How Barack Obama Is Crafting A New Evil (Anti-Christian) Empire by Dr. Peter Hammond ,Still Waters Revival Books evangelical site

The book, The Pink Agenda: The Ruin of the Family, was co-authored by Christian activists Christine McCafferty and Peter Hammond.
The Lesbian and Gay Equality Project (LGEP) has described the book as "the worst example of homophobic hate speech ever published in South Africa".

Critic of Mandela, according to Hammond, the young former president and hero of the country, was anything but a hero because he promoted evil and sin in the land. He added that Mandela was a terrorist who encouraged his people to have abortions and supported homosexuality and pornography.

Who is dr peter hammond ?

It is very difficult to get an answer to this. He is reputed to have a doctorate in missiology but in every such statement, it after this is stated, "was granted an HONORARY doctorate in missiology".I cannot find any record of such a doctorate in any University of any type.

He has written many politically and religiously far right publications. Such make the religious right of the US, quite " leftist in comparison.

His themes show that calvinism, to be almost more relevant than the bible itself, propounding that God himself chose selected persons through history to be damned to hell. Not by their actions, but by Gods will. In this he debunks Christian belief that persons can choose by responding who they will serve.
If God selected whom he would have believe, then why does Hammond rail against Catholicism, because despite catholicism being a heresy as he believes,
all whom God has chosen, are saved anyway. He condemns arminianism which shows hat mankind does indeed have a choice.
Who is dr peter hammond
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Bal, I have no affiliation or support for Dr Peter Hammond or his views, I saw this blog of his on another forum and thought it was worth posting on TLF for discussion, I'm just going on this one piece of work of his.
I remember a book by Sir Winston Churchill The River war in which he gave his views on muslims an 1899 account of the Sudan campaign:-



Winston Churchill's Brutal Takedown of Islam is PERFECT | The Federalist Papers

Yet he was never deemed a racist!

Pete (pbuh)
Pete I never thought for a second you do (and added later to the post to show ) , I understand the fear, quite rightly of immigration of these economic migrants my support is for the deserving refugees that get thought of as the same , and are now taking the wrath of the backlash .

( I must add I never used the word racist )

I can understand that it was meant as a discussion piece, and there have been more than a few of these recently , unfortunately they normally just becomes a tirade to vent anti immigration , euro sceptic posts , by the usuals.
Who this refugee crisis is mana from heaven for thier cause , and who I don't IMHO feel are thinking of the actual people and famlies involved, and the real hardships these people are escaping from in Syria Daesh ,ASSAD ,but making thier own euro sceptic political point .

I post for balance, another view, as I know the age group on TLF leans to the more conservative in views, and my views on here over this subject isn't in the majority . I also like to point out the bias of some media outlets and people who post as supposed experts . What people do with it is thier own affair ,as adults make up thier own minds .

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