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Old 23rd December 2018, 10:03   #14621 (permalink)
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The above quote is incorrect and misleading as it omits the key words 10 years and the losses of estimate 180 billion a year. are not found in the original document

Here is the quote in full "The Centre for Economic Performance estimates that a “No Deal WTO rules only” scenario would reduce
the UK’s trade with the EU by 40% over ten years."

No its correct as I didn't offer a time scale

But OK to be spot on we will be suffering a gradual on continual drop to an end point of a 40% drop of our exports to the EU over 10 years

At present values that will be an annual loss of 180 billion a year by the year 2029


I dont know why your bothering to nit pic, theres no upside which ever way you cut it.
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Old 23rd December 2018, 10:06   #14622 (permalink)
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Sooooo guess who said this?


‘Hard as it is to say now.. I look forward to a United States of Europe, in which the barriers between the nations will be greatly minimised and unrestricted travel will be possible.’

‘We are reunited here, in this new Assembly, not as representatives of our several countries or various political parties, but as Europeans forging ahead, hand in hand, and if necessary elbow to elbow, to restore the former glories of Europe..

‘There is no reason for us not to succeed in achieving our goal and laying the foundation of a United Europe. A Europe whose moral design will win the respect and acknowledgement of all humanity, and whose physical strength will be such that no person will dare to disturb it as it marches peacefully towards the future.’












Yep Churchill


Obviously when he said no person would disturb it, he didn't count on a bunch of isolationist "little Englanders" screwing it all up in his own country
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Old 23rd December 2018, 10:17   #14623 (permalink)
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[QUOTE=Chasey;1175652]A well reasoned post but you are very very wrong about this point

Under WTO rules its estimated our trade with the EU will drop by 40% with losses of estimate 180 billion a year.


Whilst I am deeply sympathetic about the freedom of movement issue, The damage to the economy from a No Deel Brexit would be catastrophic



See below from the ESRC Kings Collage London
Under a hard Brexit/“WTO rules” scenario, without mutual recognition agreements for product standards, it is unlikely that UK products could enter the EU without further checks at the border. Over time, if there is divergence between UK and EU standards, UK businesses would need to produce two different product lines – one for the UK and one for the EU – which would increase costs and reduce competitiveness.

The impacts of non-tariff barriers would be larger for the service sector, which makes up 80% of the UK economy. Access to the single EU aviation market requires headquarters and majority shareholdings to be located within the EU so that it can have regulatory oversight on safety. UK service exporters would also suffer from the loss of ‘passporting’ rights for financial services, as well as reduced access for other service providers like legal and accountancy services.

The Centre for Economic Performance estimates that a “No Deal WTO rules only” scenario would reduce the UK’s trade with the EU by 40% over ten years. This reduced trade would mean a fall in income per head of 2.6% per year (net of the savings from no membership fees). There would also be longer-term negative effects from lower investment and slower productivity growth, which are estimated to be another 3.5% of GDP. Adopting a policy of unilateral free trade would mitigate part of these costs. But the savings from unilateral tariff cuts are estimated to be just 0.35% of GDP. The short-term disruption resulting from the sudden imposition of these WTO rules could exacerbate these negative effects.




Frankly if theres a no deal Brexit I can see a time soon where the level of general suffering is such that people would rather admit to being a Nazi than a Brexit voter who caused it all.[/QUOTE]

What a bollox of a comment that is............your attitude is, you're right & anyone who disagrees with you is very, very wrong, TBH that's exactly how the Nazis were.
Take this on board Chasey, you have just seen what's gone on in France, politicians both here & the EU are having their say & threats.........the produce producers have their say to come yet.
How quick was the flights issue sorted & why? My take is, end of March starts becoming holiday time, no flights to the Med countries, can you imagine that? If you can, then imagine the empty hotels, bars, restaurants & the mass unemployment that would come with it? There was always going to be flights, we are leaving the EU, not going to war with them.
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Old 23rd December 2018, 10:26   #14624 (permalink)
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Churchill was an alcoholic bigot
He is not liked at all in the north west of England
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Project fear , come on please , don't see you continually complaining about " Operation Biggest Lies Ever Told " and " Let's All Break election Law " or how about " Tax Evasion on Political Propaganda "

Project Fear , The Beano would have been proud of that headline .

As far as fear is concerned , Leave is still lying through it's teeth , but you leavers can do nothing about the sell out May and her cohort are slowly working on you .

As for : They also fail to acknowledge (as in the above post) that UK currently has complete alignment with EU standards, and firms that want to continue trading with them can simply match any future changes with no more fuss than will apply to any EU based firm.

Ian

So you are happy for the EU to adopt any legal standard , and we must comply , without demur or representation or a vote of any kind ?

Sovereignty , it is all about sovereignty they continually wail ?

Any twist or turn will do when in a cul-de-sac .

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Hey Steve I might have to vote Labour in future now Mr Corbyn has finally got off the fence.
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Churchill was an alcoholic bigot
He is not liked at all in the north west of England
Nor would he freely be smoking cigars anymore...........just a little example of how this world has moved on. I dare say even the most respected of people who made comments decades ago would be eating their words this day & age. Different era, different world.
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Not that popular in Ireland either.. cigars or not !
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Is it being suggested that we have to always agree with Churchill?
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No its correct as I didn't offer a time scale

But OK to be spot on we will be suffering a gradual on continual drop to an end point of a 40% drop of our exports to the EU over 10 years

At present values that will be an annual loss of 180 billion a year by the year 2029


I dont know why your bothering to nit pic, theres no upside which ever way you cut it.
Strange if a leaver had posted what you posted it would be called lies
But when someone pulls up a remainer it called nickpicking.
Is that why you don't provide links to support your posts
Anyways here everyone can see the full document and they can made their own minds up regarding the content of your post
http://ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/uplo...Fact-sheet.pdf
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Is it being suggested that we have to always agree with Churchill?
One of the sections overlooked in the speech that remainers love to quoted from Mr Winston Churchill speaking in Zurich
I9th September 1946 is
The first step is to form a Council of Europe.

If at first all the States of Europe are not willing or able to join the Union, we must nevertheless proceed to assemble and combine those who will and those who can.

The salvation of the common people of every race and of every land from war or servitude must be established on solid foundations and must be guarded by the readiness of all men and women to die rather than submit to tyranny.

In all this urgent work, France and Germany must take the lead together.

Great Britain, the British Commonwealth of Nations, mighty America, and I trust Soviet Russia - for then indeed all would be well - must be the friends and sponsors of the new Europe and must champion its right to live and shine.

The fact that he says the above countries must be friends and sponsors of the new Europe indicate that it was his intention that Great Britain would not be part of the new Europe and would remain a sponsors. outside looking in

The Churchill Society London. Churchill's Speeches.

Churchill was all in favour of a united Europe — as long as it didn’t include Britain
Felix Klos’s central premise is all wrong, says Andrew Roberts. Churchill wanted Britain to be with Europe, but not a part of it

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/02/...clude-britain/

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