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Old 9th October 2019, 18:19   #23701 (permalink)
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A YouGov analysis of 300 surveys shows firm evidence that Britain has turned against Brexit since 2016 ... 204 out of 226 polls since July 2017 have shown remain ahead, with seven for leave, and 15 ties. This year, just one poll has put Leave ahead, 74 for staying in the EU
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Old 9th October 2019, 18:47   #23702 (permalink)
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Apparently "Kraut" is a derogatory word we can't use any more - who knew that?
Seems she let the cat out of the bag in yesterday's phone call, and the intention all along was to split NI off from the UK. This was said a year ago my Martin Selmayer, but nobody took it seriously at the time. Her view, expressed to Boris, is that if UK wants out, it must leave NI behind.

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Seems it is very racist, hence the racists have apologised, i'm sure our lot will support them in their apology for the racist meme

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Old 9th October 2019, 19:09   #23703 (permalink)
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A YouGov analysis of 300 surveys shows firm evidence that Britain has turned against Brexit since 2016 ... 204 out of 226 polls since July 2017 have shown remain ahead, with seven for leave, and 15 ties. This year, just one poll has put Leave ahead, 74 for staying in the EU
Makes me wonder why certain remain MPs & Parties are blocking a GE then, maybe like me they don't trust the polls either.
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Old 9th October 2019, 19:27   #23704 (permalink)
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Good on yer Jo !

The Nobile Officium Cases – the way forward
Dale Vince OBE, Joanna Cherry QC MP and Jolyon Maugham QC filed two cases in relation to the Prime Minister’s obligations under the so-called Benn Act.

The first case was commenced in the Outer House of the Court of Session for orders obliging the Prime Minister to comply with his duties under the Benn Act (a) to send a letter asking for an extension and (b) not to frustrate the Act by e.g. asking other Member States to veto the UK’s request for an extension.

On Monday the Outer House said that Boris Johnson:

“is subject to the obligations of the [Benn] Act; (b) in the event of neither of the conditions in section 1(1) or (2) being satisfied, the first respondent will comply with section 1(4) no later than 19 October 2019; and (c) that he will not frustrate the purpose of the [Benn] Act or the purpose of any of its provisions. In other words, there can be no doubt that the first respondent now accepts that he must comply with the requirements of the [Benn] Act and has affirmed that he intends to do so.”

If Boris Johnson adheres to these statements the entire purpose of the litigation – that a man elected from 160,000 members of the Conservative Party should comply with a law enacted by 46 million voters – will be satisfied.

The second case was commenced in the Inner House asking the Court, if the Prime Minister (a) fails to send (as required by section 1 of the Benn Act) the letter asking for an extension or (b) fails to agree an extension offered by the EU (as required by section 3 of the Benn Act), to complete those acts itself.

And earlier this morning the Inner House held the cases over to 21 October – the first working day after the Prime Minister’s obligation to send the Benn Act letter expires. So if the facts do require it, it can make appropriate orders against the Prime Minister.

What would happen if the Prime Minister were to act inconsistently with his statements to the Court?

This is a state of affairs which seems to us to be highly likely. Only last night, for example, the President of the European Parliament stated that Boris Johnson had told him he would not be asking for an extension. If Boris Johnson was telling the truth, this would be a breach of his obligations to send the letter under the Benn Act. And if Boris Johnson was not telling the truth, this would, it seems to us, be a breach of his obligations not to frustrate the Benn Act.

The ability of the Inner House to exercise its nobile officium – and sign the letter or acceptance of an offer of an extension – provides a remedy in relation to documents the Prime Minister unlawfully fails to execute. But it will only be engaged if the Prime Minister has already breached his obligations under the Benn Act. If, in other words, he has already failed to adhere to statements made to the Court.

Good Law Project, on its own account, is currently in the process of instructing leading Counsel specialising in civil contempt proceedings and does intend, if so advised, to institute contempt proceedings against the Prime Minister in respect of such failings.

No one is above the law.

Jolyon Maugham said:

“These cases are about keeping the Prime Minister on the straight and narrow. We have extracted from him a promise that he will comply with the law. If he breaks that promise he will face the music – including possible contempt proceedings. And the Courts are likely to make good any failure on his part, including signing the Benn Act letter.”

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Makes me wonder why certain remain MPs & Parties are blocking a GE then, maybe like me they don't trust the polls either.
The polls relate to brexit , not a party based general election , several kind souls have repeatedly attempted to explain the differentiation to you on many occasions , we must accept that you do no understand that in by elections mp's have been elected on a platform that differs to their constituency vote nearly four years ago , the referendum told us nothing of political allegiance , only a general election will do that .

Only the main stream parties have the election machine in place to explain a raft of proposed policies , face to face , Brexit will bleat brexit endlessly from the tele and that will be that .

Brexit will be exposed and denuded as a single issue pressure group , that will descend into internecine warfare when they attempt to address the myriad issues parliament has to manage .

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Brexit will destroy the main British parties in the next GE - and hasten the end of the Disunited Kingdom, imho
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The polls relate to brexit , not a party based general election , several kind souls have repeatedly attempted to explain the differentiation to you on many occasions , we must accept that you do no understand that in by elections mp's have been elected on a platform that differs to their constituency vote nearly four years ago , the referendum told us nothing of political allegiance , only a general election will do that .

Only the main stream parties have the election machine in place to explain a raft of proposed policies , face to face , Brexit will bleat brexit endlessly from the tele and that will be that .

Brexit will be exposed and denuded as a single issue pressure group , that will descend into internecine warfare when they attempt to address the myriad issues parliament has to manage .

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So just what do you think the next GE will be about Steve? Taking onboard that a GE covers many issues ( I agree), the fault line in that reasoning is this. Why is it then that Parties & politicians of the remain persuasion say, “once the extension is agreed with the EU we will then remove BJ & have a GE”? That statement flies in the face of the next GE being about anything else other than Brexit.
I could name at least 20 MPs who will either be deselected or fail to get re-elected because of Brexit. IMO the next GE will be about Brexit, until the decision is taken to leave or remain, MPs present and future will continue to walk on eggshells with their constituents. Difference now is, the electorate are more on the ball over some of their treacherous MPs voting ie telling the punters they’re for leave but then vote remain.
My first Q to my potential MP would be, what’s your stance on Brexit?
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My first Q to my potential MP would be, what’s your stance on Brexit?
And get your smartphone out to record the reply.

You can then use it in a court case against that MP if elected and changes stance (ie lied to your face).
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And get your smartphone out to record the reply.

You can then use it in a court case against that MP if elected and changes stance (ie lied to your face).
Would these barefaced liars even care? They’re all over YouTube saying one thing and voting for something else. Time we had an MPs only “crime watch”.
In some respects for me, this has gone far beyond the EU & beats what we would consider to be sleaze hands down.
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