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Old 27th June 2016, 12:36   #451 (permalink)
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Funny you say that Jaycey ,I noticed a few of my past posts ,that the message/question ,on them, eg like the lying and reversing of promises during the leave campaign, like immigration, were not answered ,but diverted.

Then when I presented the concern on the loss of financial service jobs , and the loss to GDP.

Instead of answering was diverted by plucking one of the industries mentioned and jumping to its well deserved defense ,fishermen but nothing to do with what I had actually said ,nor to do with the unanswered concerns over the loss of jobs in fianancial services and the loss of UK GDP . Platitudes are nice but doesn't answer the questions.

So the way to avoid hard questions is neither answer the Question is divert ,homily or platitude . A bit like the campaign when asked about experts concerns on the implications to the UK Economy, UK MP Gove said " People in this country have had enough of experts,” declared Michael Gove last week. Duh...............

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You’re wrong Michael Gove – experts are trusted far more than you

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...academics-vote
Add to that the emergency budget Osborne threatened the UK with.
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Old 27th June 2016, 12:51   #452 (permalink)
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Add to that the emergency budget Osborne threatened the UK with.
Interesting comments in the comment section
You’re wrong Michael Gove – experts are trusted far more than you"

I could not agree more with this statement.

Here are a whole regiment of experts (past and present) who believe the UK should remain in the EU:


The annual three-day Bilderberg conference starts today in Dresden. The heads of Google, Shell, BP and Deutsche Bank will be there, and Brexit will be topping of the agenda.

We know from Charity Commission accounts that Goldman Sachs, along with BP, is one of the key funders of the group, and we also know that they've been pumping "a substantial six-figure sum" into the Remain campaign.

For Bilderberg, as for Goldman Sachs, the idea that there might be any kind of push-back against globalisation is a horrific one.”

Bilderberg 2016: We can expect desperate lobbying against Brexit from Big Business

“People who rule out joining the Euro are “foolish and backward” (Tony Blair)
"If we do not make this step before too much further delay, we will not stand still in Europe, we will slip backwards." (Peter Mandelson on the euro, March 2003)
“We either work together to help set the rules of the world or we leave that role to others.”

(Michael Froman, US President Barack Obama’s trade tsar, albeit speaking about TTIP)

"We need to build a United States of Europe with the Commission as government and two chambers – the European Parliament and a "Senate" of Member States."
( Former EU Commission Vice-President Viviane Reding)

“ Europe’s nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation.” (Jean Monnet, “founding father” of the EU)

How Project Fear failed to keep Britain in the EU – and the signs that anyone could have read
How Project Fear failed to keep Britain in the EU ? and the signs that anyone could have read
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Old 27th June 2016, 13:00   #453 (permalink)
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As a result of Brexit the PM has turned into a cat..

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Also seen on the Russian news..

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Old 27th June 2016, 13:26   #454 (permalink)
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Of course the UK is in a bit of a mess at the moment but I'm pretty sure we will recover before the EU recovers from its own mess.
As for who should be doing what now, that's down to the Conservatives & the current PM, he may well be going but in the meantime there's work to be done.
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Funny you say that Jaycey ,I noticed a few of my past posts ,that the message/question ,on them, eg like the lying and reversing of promises during the leave campaign, like immigration, were not answered ,but diverted.

Then when I presented the concern on the loss of financial service jobs , and the loss to GDP.

Instead of answering was diverted by plucking one of the industries mentioned and jumping to its well deserved defense ,fishermen but nothing to do with what I had actually said ,nor to do with the unanswered concerns over the loss of jobs in fianancial services and the loss of UK GDP . Platitudes are nice but doesn't answer the questions.

So the way to avoid hard questions is neither answer the Question is divert ,homily or platitude . A bit like the campaign when asked about experts concerns on the implications to the UK Economy, UK MP Gove said " People in this country have had enough of experts,” declared Michael Gove last week. Duh...............

.................................................. ................................
You’re wrong Michael Gove – experts are trusted far more than you

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...academics-vote
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Add to that the emergency budget Osborne threatened the UK with.
So the above cancels it out.... ??? Time wouldn't you think for leave to take ownership of thier campaign and the lies therein

So does that make the winning side right ? To have deceived and lied to the public to get the vote they wanted , don't the people who voted on the basis of what they were told by leave . do they not deserve to know why they might now not get what they voted for ??? These are the people who may Govern them in the future .

My every wish is for a stronger, more prosperous future for the UK now out the EU , but this bunch seem more concerned of thier own personal ambitions and the rise of there wing of the Conservative party.

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So the above cancels it out.... ??? Time wouldn't you think for leave to take ownership of thier campaign and the lies therein

So does that make the winning side right ? To have deceived and lied to the public to get the vote they wanted , don't the people who voted on the basis of this. do they not deserve to know why they might now not get what they voted for ??? These are the people who may Govern them in the future .

My every wish is for a stronger, more prosperous future for the UK now out the EU , but this bunch seem more concerned of thier own personal ambitions and the rise of there wing of the Conservative party.
You are trying to preach to the converted here Bal. The Audience you should be addressing & trying to influence is the country where your 'opinion's' can be backed up with your Vote, especially if that country is Turkey.

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So the above cancels it out.... ??? Time wouldn't you think for leave to take ownership of thier campaign and the lies therein

So does that make the winning side right ? To have deceived and lied to the public to get the vote they wanted , don't the people who voted on the basis of what they were told by leave . do they not deserve to know why they might now not get what they voted for ??? These are the people who may Govern them in the future .

My every wish is for a stronger, more prosperous future for the UK now out the EU , but this bunch seem more concerned of thier own personal ambitions and the rise of there wing of the Conservative party.
You are obviously not fully aware of how British politics works, how can ANYONE negotiate anything whilst David Cameron is the PM? What did you expect to happen, Boris or Gove just to take over? Are they supposed to just head off to Brussels? This now is a case of waiting for the Conservatives to start implementing the peoples wishes, with a new leader.
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You are obviously not fully aware of how British politics works, how can ANYONE negotiate anything whilst David Cameron is the PM? What did you expect to happen, Boris or Gove just to take over? Are they supposed to just head off to Brussels? This now is a case of waiting for the Conservatives to start implementing the peoples wishes, with a new leader.
May I add that; Firstly we need to See What plans the Government have actually put together for 'a possible Brexit', we should know much more in the next few days. If, as impossibly irresponsible it would have been.... that they have made No Plans!!! then Camoron should Leave Immediately, ditto Gideon! Before they have a chance to start the shredding machine...........

New Leader, Tory PM to be appointed by Sept 2nd. Might be the shortest 'term in office' of a UK PM in living memory!.... Careful as she goes
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You are trying to preach to the converted here Bal. The Audience you should be addressing & trying to influence is the country where your 'opinion's' can be backed up with your Vote, especially if that country is Turkey.

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Good diversion Ms Tintagel

but it seems not all are converted as seen by yesterdays thread discussion .

A fatuous a suggestion and remark , if I have ever heard one, that people shouldn't have an opinion on UK politics , when their is so many threads , were views are expressed by all, on the politics of Ukraine , Palestine, Syria , America and even Turkey . Maybe you should broaden your horizons and listen to all round views of many, you might surprise yourself , rather than the small minded insular politics you may follow .......

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You are obviously not fully aware of how British politics works, how can ANYONE negotiate anything whilst David Cameron is the PM? What did you expect to happen, Boris or Gove just to take over? Are they supposed to just head off to Brussels? This now is a case of waiting for the Conservatives to start implementing the peoples wishes, with a new leader.
I accept that one has to take a position in an argument or debate but what amazes me is people taking a fixed position on the " lies" of one side only. It's as if the belief is that there was only one side telling porkies or being economical with the truth. The only certainty is that both sides were at it. I never cease to be amazed at how adamant people get when in fact all they are doing is taking a shot in the dark and merely taking a punt on the back of what media info they receive or choose to believe.Experts and so called experts contradicting the claims of each other means only one thing to me - nobody knows what is fact and what is fiction.So many of the respective claims of both sides are so non quantifiable.
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