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Old 13th January 2018, 22:45   #8071 (permalink)
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There you go again , Germany , Merkei , Germany , Merkel .....

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Perhaps you have a list of who we can or cant mention on here?

Noted I don't mention Labour too often on here because I'm not sure of their policy on Brexit........funnily enough nor are they.

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Dont count your chickens with Trumps USA, he is a serial welcher, note his whinge on what he considers a bad deal from Pres Bush's time re the USA Embassy, and yes, we will be ruled by them instead.
I can't understand this obsession some people have about being ruled by Brussels. Apart from it not being true, the same people don't seem to have any problem about being ruled by the U.S. which of course is beyond denying.

Britain doesn't have an independent foreign policy and before any foreign policy statement is issued it is first cleared with America. Either that or Britain merely repeats what America has just said, which is so nauseating. Neither can I recall any illegal wars where Britain has cow-tailed to Brussel's instructions.

The union of European countries has been the biggest contributor to peace in Europe. The union of Britain with the US has been the biggest contributor to wars in the world.
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Old 14th January 2018, 10:58   #8073 (permalink)
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I can't understand this obsession some people have about being ruled by Brussels. Apart from it not being true, the same people don't seem to have any problem about being ruled by the U.S. which of course is beyond denying.

Britain doesn't have an independent foreign policy and before any foreign policy statement is issued it is first cleared with America. Either that or Britain merely repeats what America has just said, which is so nauseating. Neither can I recall any illegal wars where Britain has cow-tailed to Brussel's instructions.

The union of European countries has been the biggest contributor to peace in Europe. The union of Britain with the US has been the biggest contributor to wars in the world.
"Ruled" perhaps you could give an example, surely your not implying that America makes UK rules/laws?
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Old 14th January 2018, 12:26   #8074 (permalink)
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"Ruled" perhaps you could give an example, surely your not implying that America makes UK rules/laws?
I was referring more to foreign policy and world peace Spurs.

Neither do I accept that Britain's laws are made in Brussels. There certainly are plenty of EU regulations, some good, some not so good. However is that not the nature of all regulations ? Of course when it comes to regulations we are all capable of being subjective. Only this week EU regulations have prevented companies from charging fees for processing card payments, rightly so in my view as the great majority of payments are now card payments and some companies have proposed charging people for paying in cash as it has to be counted and banked manually.
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I was referring more to foreign policy and world peace Spurs.

Neither do I accept that Britain's laws are made in Brussels. There certainly are plenty of EU regulations, some good, some not so good. However is that not the nature of all regulations ? Of course when it comes to regulations we are all capable of being subjective. Only this week EU regulations have prevented companies from charging fees for processing card payments, rightly so in my view as the great majority of payments are now card payments and some companies have proposed charging people for paying in cash as it has to be counted and banked manually.
There are many countries who follow or are aligned with Americas foreign policy & there were even more prior to Trumps election win.
The UK has not aligned itself with Americas decision to move its embassy to Jerusalem. It was America who put the sanctions on Russia & other countries stood with them on that decision.
I'm well aware of how America acts BUT they neither make the UKs rules or laws. We are though allies & trusted allies at that. We have made mistakes on following them where wise men should not tread but hey many, many countries have also followed them/us.

Just to add, when it comes to "coalitions", if you drop bombs or don't, if you put soldiers on the ground or don't, if your part of a coalition then your complicit to ANYTHING untoward that happens, Iraq/Syria/Libya all involved coalitions of many countries.
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"Ruled" perhaps you could give an example, surely your not implying that America makes UK rules/laws?
No more than the EU does / did we agreed to adopt EU harmonisation legislation and passed it by majority in our own Parliament, it was never forced on us, we were willing and agreed to it.

Think back, we asked and applied to join the EU, nobody put a gun to our heads. In doing so we agreed to the rules, but it seems backsliding and welching is becoming the norm nowadays.
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No more than the EU does / did we agreed to adopt EU harmonisation legislation and passed it by majority in our own Parliament, it was never forced on us, we were willing and agreed to it.

Think back, we asked and applied to join the EU, nobody put a gun to our heads. In doing so we agreed to the rules, but it seems backsliding and welching is becoming the norm nowadays.
That was then, this is the now. We joined what was then the Common Market not a political entity.
Backsliding & welching? NO, an election & referendum was what we had or don't they count for anything anymore?
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Old 14th January 2018, 13:24   #8078 (permalink)
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As I recall that lying b*****d heath dragged us into the common market underhandedly, we were lied to by him and his cronies

2012-003 Edward Heath and a letter from the Foreign & Commonwealth office 1972 ? Scroll down to B 2012-003 | The Euro Probe

I distinctly remember , after a discussion in our local where not one person in the entire pub voted to join the common market, asking everyone I worked for for the next six months how they had voted ..I got just 3 who said they voted to join
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There are many countries who follow or are aligned with Americas foreign policy & there were even more prior to Trumps election win.
The UK has not aligned itself with Americas decision to move its embassy to Jerusalem. It was America who put the sanctions on Russia & other countries stood with them on that decision.
I'm well aware of how America acts BUT they neither make the UKs rules or laws. We are though allies & trusted allies at that. We have made mistakes on following them where wise men should not tread but hey many, many countries have also followed them/us.

Just to add, when it comes to "coalitions", if you drop bombs or don't, if you put soldiers on the ground or don't, if your part of a coalition then your complicit to ANYTHING untoward that happens, Iraq/Syria/Libya all involved coalitions of many countries.
Other countries who were part of any coalition were either economically bribed, coerced or threatened by the US. Others who quickly realized that they had been mislead soon quit.

No such antics necessary when it comes to getting Britain to join or to use any influence she has with the UN (which the US considdered a very serious organisation sometimes and is prepared to ignore it at other times as she sees fit) and the EU to persuade others to apply sanctions etc.

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Other countries who were part of any coalition were either economically bribed, coerced or threatened by the US. Others who quickly realized that they had been mislead soon quick.

No such antics necessary when it comes to getting Britain to join or to use any influence she has with the UN (which the US considdered a very serious organisation sometimes and is prepared to ignore it at other times as she sees fit) and the EU to persuade others to apply sanctions etc.
Isn't that how the UN works "influence" by all the major players? Bribes, threats are also taints of the EU, thats how the big boys operate.
No threats to Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria. Czech Republic, no money incentives which TBH are paramount to bribes. Do as we say or we will cut your funding.

Its not a choice for me of either or when it comes to the EU/US, I voted to leave the EU, those were the questions, stay or remain.......not leave the EU & join the US.
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