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Old 16th May 2018, 22:54   #9941 (permalink)
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A very large component of subsidies goes to rich landowners - not necessarily to the farmers.
They get EU subsidies for planting land. They get subsidies for not planting land. They get acreage subsidies. They get beef subsidies. They get milk subsidies. They get calf subsidies. I dare say that post Brexit the UK government will keep these subsidies going.

To add to their problems, they will now be trading on an unlevel playing field with American and Argentina beef flooding the market. I forgot to mention New Zealand lamb and Colonal Sanders chickens.

As a spin-off it may be one way to solve the UK housing crisis because there will be plenty of spare land about.
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Old 16th May 2018, 23:47   #9942 (permalink)
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They get EU subsidies for planting land. They get subsidies for not planting land. They get acreage subsidies. They get beef subsidies. They get milk subsidies. They get calf subsidies. I dare say that post Brexit the UK government will keep these subsidies going.

To add to their problems, they will now be trading on an unlevel playing field with American and Argentina beef flooding the market. I forgot to mention New Zealand lamb and Colonal Sanders chickens.

As a spin-off it may be one way to solve the UK housing crisis because there will be plenty of spare land about.
Makes me wonder why the EU imports beef from South American, whilst EU farmers gets subsidies, cant the EU farmers produce more?
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Makes me wonder why the EU imports beef from South American, whilst EU farmers gets subsidies, cant the EU farmers produce more?
I wasn't aware that the EU imports beef from South America. This would surprise me as the CAP ( common agriculture policy) has for a long time been criticized for creating beef mountains, caused in part by the subsidies paid to farmers. Should this be correct then it is completely non sensical. I know of huge warehouses where people are paid to keep beef in cold storage (intervention).
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I wasn't aware that the EU imports beef from South America. This would surprise me as the CAP ( common agriculture policy) has for a long time been criticized for creating beef mountains, caused in part by the subsidies paid to farmers. Should this be correct then it is completely non sensical. I know of huge warehouses where people are paid to keep beef in cold storage (intervention).
When I found out about it, I was surprised. I stumbled on it because the EU are currently negotiating deals en-bloc with Mexico/Argentina/Uruguay etc, that deal being...........increased beef exports into the EU with low tariffs in exchange for, cars & machinery. There's a "name" for this latest deal, Mercosur. Great if your a car producer, not so clever if your a beef farmer, that Michael is how the EU rolls..........we know who the car producers are.

Dare I say, this little "scam" wasn't put on the referendum paper either
I'm no farmer but wouldn't it be logical for European farmers to increase their herds, instead of importing & getting subsidies?

https://www.ictsd.org/bridges-news/b...r-press-onward
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Old 17th May 2018, 10:16   #9945 (permalink)
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The compromise which appears to be developing is along the lines of extending until 2023 CU membership

Obviously the gammons will still be outraged but there was always going to have to be compromise
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EU in or out will make no difference , the Tories are committed to covering all lost funds to landowners .

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-land-subsidie

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I wasn't aware that the EU imports beef from South America. This would surprise me as the CAP ( common agriculture policy) has for a long time been criticized for creating beef mountains, caused in part by the subsidies paid to farmers. Should this be correct then it is completely non sensical. I know of huge warehouses where people are paid to keep beef in cold storage (intervention).
More on the beef, noted that the Irish farmers are not happy over it.


https://www.globalmeatnews.com/Artic...ial-trade-deal
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Correct because farmers need to be weaned off it, the EU is a trading bloc, when purchasing beef it doesn't just get it for Brussels..........its shared around member states.

There was a programme a few weeks back featuring farmers in New Zealand, some on subsidies some not. Those who were not said, "it just makes farmers lazy, why would you produce to the max if your government is giving you money"?
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More on the beef, noted that the Irish farmers are not happy over it.

https://www.globalmeatnews.com/Artic...ial-trade-deal
Couple of great links there Chips

The EU's holier than thou attitude "Do as I say, not as I do", is being exposed for the Protectionist Racket that it is & always has been!

Ordinary people want, need good jobs, a purpose in life, not 'so-called' state handouts (Tax payers money).... The Bribery Model they've been operating under has worked very well because it gives those with the most land, the most money. Why the hell would they 'bother' to employ & pay good wages to people (who need to earn their living) when they can sit back on their fat arses & keep all the money without lifting a finger!!!!

I noticed in the article about the Asparagus farmer, that he gets his 'labour' from Concordia, a charity (now a Gang-Master Charity), set up by HM Gov in 1943 to meet the agricultural needs of the country by recruiting volunteers. Concordia is run by another batch of the usual charity suspects, free-loaders...........

https://assets.publishing.service.go.../Concordia.pdf

The EU obviously saw the benefits of such a scheme & have rolled the model out over Europe.......... No doubt with UK Gov (Civil service) permission & blessing........

Concordia UK ltd | European Youth Portal

Meat imports to the EU from third countries, has been a part of the EU business plan for a long time..........

https://imta-uk.org/import-export/im...port-to-the-eu
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Don't know what's made on the sale of one cow but logic would tell me that there's more money made on the sale of one car.

Said it before, Brussels will throw any industry under the bus to keep certain industries/member states happy.
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