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Old 14th December 2016, 09:22   #11 (permalink)
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Re: NHS & Social Care in Crisis!

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has brıtaın been asset strıpped??

https://churchmousec.wordpress.com/2...ipped-britain/
I would choose to say that the UK has been sold out cheaply by the Conservative Government , Labour also has dirty hand due to it's NHS privatisation as well.

Macquarrie the Australian investment vehicle own so much of UK infrastructure i am amazed we do not need permission from the antipodes to turn on the light or flush the toilet.


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Old 14th December 2016, 12:33   #12 (permalink)
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Re: NHS & Social Care in Crisis!

I've spent many hours over the last 7 or so years thinking about how Social Care & NHS services have been changed, downgraded & contracted out to private Investors. I won't/can't call them private 'Care Services' because they fall way far of anything resembling 'Care'. I've despaired & literally wept at some of the things I have seen, been subjected to & witnessed happening to others

The answer (imho) is Not just ploughing more money in, although this has to be done as well to repair the damage that has been caused by the Privatised sectors involved. Firstly we Need to re-nationalise these vital services or further funding will just be gobbled up by the private 'stake holders/partners' on, astronomical salary's, bad contracts, dummy reports by the likes of PWC, etc, etc.... Not spent on Care, Modern Nursing Homes, Staff & Training!

As a previous recipient (through work) of Private Health Care, I do believe there's a 'place' for those who would like, can avail themselves of these services but!.... This private service Must Not be allowed to Replace our NHS by stealth or design, which is what I have seen happening. It has to be 'Confined' as a Private Sector, an extra for those who can afford, want it. Tax payers Must Not be made to pay for Everybody to have 'Privatised Health Care'.

The majority of these private providers/company's are part of mega foreign owned Hedge funds & Banks etc, the 'profits' go to their investors not back into our communities where they are now needed more than ever. We, are left with the dregs, low paid staff, fewer staff, poorly qualified staff which delivers a very poor product to our most vulnerable.
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Old 14th December 2016, 13:05   #13 (permalink)
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Scary when you see it in black and white. Does anyone think the French would allow the same thing to happen ?
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I've spent many hours over the last 7 or so years thinking about how Social Care & NHS services have been changed, downgraded & contracted out to private Investors. I won't/can't call them private 'Care Services' because they fall way far of anything resembling 'Care'. I've despaired & literally wept at some of the things I have seen, been subjected to & witnessed happening to others

The answer (imho) is Not just ploughing more money in, although this has to be done as well to repair the damage that has been caused by the Privatised sectors involved. Firstly we Need to re-nationalise these vital services or further funding will just be gobbled up by the private 'stake holders/partners' on, astronomical salary's, bad contracts, dummy reports by the likes of PWC, etc, etc.... Not spent on Care, Modern Nursing Homes, Staff & Training!

As a previous recipient (through work) of Private Health Care, I do believe there's a 'place' for those who would like, can avail themselves of their services but!.... This private service Must Not be allowed to Replace our NHS by stealth or design, which is what I have seen happening. It has to be 'Confined' as a Private Sector, an extra for those who can afford, want it. Tax payers Must Not be made to pay for Everybody to have 'Privatised Health Care'.

The majority of these private providers/company's are part of mega foreign owned Hedge funds & Banks etc, the 'profits' go to their investors not back into our communities where they are now needed more than ever. We, are left with the dregs, low paid staff, fewer staff, poorly qualified staff which delivers a very poor product to our most vulnerable.
I have a lot of sympathy with your views on this issue Tintagel - the only thing that I would dispute is the comments about training and staff numbers. By and large the care homes meet the legal requirements re numbers and qualifications. The problem lies more in the area of recruitment and management- it doesn't matter how many staff are on duty and been trained up IF they are not suited to the job in the first place. A care home with good management will recruit well and deliver good care - however good groundfloor managers will leave if they are starved of resources by the owner. The regulatory body and the Local Authority purchasers in my experience are not sufficiently resourced to monitor care levels as well as they could do and would like to do.
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Re: NHS & Social Care in Crisis!

The Welsh government has combined health and social care in the last 3 years and things are slowly improving. They spent 2 years looking at the system before making changes and found that at least a third of A & E contacts were unnecessary, and at least a third of GP appointments could have been handled by a pharmacy. If these could be addressed the existing facilities were perfectly adequate.
There is also an increasing use of occupational therapist to assess the capabilities of older and more vulnerable patients and help them with various improvements before they leave hospital.
They also decided to allow longer for the ambulance emergency calls to be assessed before sending a vehicle. By giving extra time to allow for more information to be gathered Wales has shortened response times and use different response vehicles more effectively.
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Scary when you see it in black and white. Does anyone think the French would allow the same thing to happen ?
Look at what the French own in Britain.
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has brıtaın been asset strıpped??

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No, the EU does not fund companies to move jobs out of the UK ? I Love The EU Because?

Most of these stories have done the rounds in one way or another and have been debunked time and time again, lets see some actual evidence to debunk the debunkers.

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out of tune but gettıng another pay rıse as servıces are cut more and more

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I have a lot of sympathy with your views on this issue Tintagel - the only thing that I would dispute is the comments about training and staff numbers. By and large the care homes meet the legal requirements re numbers and qualifications. The problem lies more in the area of recruitment and management- it doesn't matter how many staff are on duty and been trained up IF they are not suited to the job in the first place. A care home with good management will recruit well and deliver good care - however good groundfloor managers will leave if they are starved of resources by the owner. The regulatory body and the Local Authority purchasers in my experience are not sufficiently resourced to monitor care levels as well as they could do and would like to do.
Hi Widdy, without knowing what criteria/knowledge/experience you are basing your opinion on, it's difficult for me to make a reasoned reply for my statements. If you could elaborate on 'why' you think I maybe off-course I'll be more than happy to state some of my reasons for the statements I've made.
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