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Old 26th April 2018, 10:44   #21 (permalink)
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What did KL say ?

Have any of these " attacks " been attributed to genuine labour members ?

Odd how May has not been called on to speak about the racist incident below :

Tweets about JEWS and AIDS 'made by 23-year-old Tory George Stoakley | Daily Mail Online

As for John Mann his Momentum , dead pigeon racist attack on his wife has nothing to do with racism or Jewishness , and nothing to do with Momentum as it happened in 2012 , odd he forgot that .

The lunatic who sent it did so in direct criticism ( unfairly ) as he was denied a Labour post in favour ( rightly so ) of Mann's wife .

Mann is a liar , loved by the right wing press and the BBC .

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LM made a clear threat of accountability to Labour MPs, that in anyone's book would be about deselection.

You now accuse John Mann of being a liar, can you elaborated on that statement? Does that liar accusation also apply to all the other Labour MPs who have received threats & abuse or just John Mann?

Labour today, if it can still be called Labour.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/92...Secretary-vote

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It's ridiculous bordering on pathetic to say if you are anti Zionist or indeed anti Israel's govt that makes you anti Jewish. Absurd
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Mc Clusky refers in the article to deselection only , perfectly correct process for the labour party to follow . Are you saying that constituencies should not have to right to select their candidates ? Or do you want them chosen by the bankers and hedge fund loving Tory right wing press ?

Blairite bully boy accuses Momentum of posting dead bird through his door – 3 years before the Left Wing group existed

http://nyebevannews.co.uk/blairite-b...group-existed/

Mann refers to Momentum , they did not exist when this lunatic sent the dead bird . Mann lied .

Again , What did KL say ?

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Personally i reckon this is a new attack on JC by the last of the Blairite remnants. Having failed in the personal attacks, failed at the ballot box they have linked with the right wing papers to try again to bring him down by insinuation. They will fail againIMHO.
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Mc Clusky refers in the article to deselection only , perfectly correct process for the labour party to follow .

Blairite bully boy accuses Momentum of posting dead bird through his door – 3 years before the Left Wing group existed

Blairite bully boy accuses Momentum of posting dead bird through his door ? 3 years before the Left Wing group existed | Nye Bevan News

Mann refers to Momentum , they did not exist when this lunatic sent the dead bird . Mann lied .

Again , What did KL say ?

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So you have no problem with a Union leader threatening MPs with deselection? Does that not make the Union leader more powerful than an elected MP? LM represents a Union, an MP represents the country. It would mean that if Labour was in power, the likes of LM can dictate government policy & direction, if not adhered to then the threat of deselection comes into play...........that IMO is wrong. Many people who voted Labour are not even in Unite.
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The unions do have a say in funding , Mc clusky is using his right to freedom of speech aqs a member of the labour party , you may not like democracy , but that is ypur problem .

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The unions do have a say in funding , Mc clusky is using his right to freedom of speech aqs a member of the labour party , you may not like democracy , but that is ypur problem .

Again what did KL say ?

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Of course they have a say because of funding but since when does a Union leader overrule a politician? Labour MPs have also used their freedom of speech & faced threats of deselection via a Union leader. After all a Labour MP cant threaten deselection of a Union leader or at least Ive never heard of that
Makes me wonder if Labour came to power would the likes of LM also have an input on defence issues of this country. Horses for courses, one runs the country, the other runs a Union. The days of Unions running this country are long gone.
Appox two years to deal with Ken Livingstone one way or the other, vindicate him or banish him, how complicated is that? A simple internal matter.
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But it's naive to think there are not other interests running the country other than Mps

The behind the scenes lobbying and pressure from big business carries a lot more covert sleaze than union campaigning

God knows many Mps are open to the highest bidder
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But it's naive to think there are not other interests running the country other than Mps

The behind the scenes lobbying and pressure from big business carries a lot more covert sleaze than union campaigning

God knows many Mps are open to the highest bidder
Agreed, hence another one of my reasons for leaving the EU. Highest bidder is then multiplied by 27. It may take time to sort out the underhanded dealings to be highlighted here in the UK but what chance have we got here to sort out what goes on in Brussels?

Labour may well win the next election but Blairites or not theres some pretty good Labour politicians now been exiled to the Backbenches. I don't see them making it back under the current regime or their backers, in fact some household names could well vanish.

Khan & Burnham knew the score........dodged the sh*t list.
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Under Blair apart from everything else- there was hardly a cigarette paper width between Labour and Tory policies.

It's good to see the back of the old Blairite career politicos dinosaurs
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