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Old 14th June 2017, 13:19   #21 (permalink)
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As if London hasn't already had enough death and destruction, my heartfelt sympathies go out to the victim's families and the injured and survivors over the loss of thier homes.

I was surprised watching the footage on Twitter video they didn't use water helicopters to pour water from the top.

Maybe Trevor TNT ex-fireman could give his insight ...
Yes I though that about water from the top ..
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Old 14th June 2017, 13:36   #22 (permalink)
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So very sorry to see this terrible news earlier, my thoughts are with all those who are suffering & have had there lives devastated.

It looks like the reference pages to the 'KTCMO' group, have been pulled??? The pages were coming up with full profiles earlier, now the pages cannot be displayed! The main player in the company is Robert Black, ex 'Circle' Director!!!!

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/robert-black-489a7728

There are several links to Property businesses, so-called Charities etc etc - It STINKS & Heads Must Roll!

There have been countless complaints & concerns raised about the management company involved going back a fair few years!; GAG - 'Grenfell Action Group' has been campaigning for years

"The Grenfell Action Group believes that this course of action is the only way that the negligence, incompetence and systemic failings of the KCTMO can be exposed and meaningful change brought about. Many local residents believe that the TMO is little better than a mini-mafia which treats its residents with contempt and never misses an opportunity to bully, intimidate, disrespect and belittle them. Complaining or mounting resistance to this dysfunctional organisation is futile as the TMO seems completely unable or unwilling to respond sympathetically to the legitimate concerns of residents.

Complaints are often sidetracked, ignored or simply responded to with brazen lies and falsehoods. KCTMO staff are frequently just plain rude and unhelpful and any individual who risks putting their head above the parapet to expose wrongdoings or shortcomings can expect malicious persecution by those in power within the KCTMO."

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpres...investigation/

"If the KCTMO were a privately held company it would be the subject of a police investigation.

For years it has been riddled with dubious practices.
The Council, rather than dispassionately investigating the stream of complaints, chooses to turn a Nelsonian eye.

Grenfell Action Group, in a call for action against endemic malpractice within the TMO, has launched a campaign calling for an impartial and independent investigation."

FTHN: From the Hornets Nest: GRENFELL ACTION GROUP CALLS FOR INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF THE KCTMO

Sadiq Khan is saying that the responsibility rests with the local council who have allowed Private companies free reign. Sorry Sadiq, You as Mayor & head of GLA now have ultimate responsibility!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_London_Authority
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Apparently children were being thrown down from windows ... so the fire brigade could have tried to catch them, apparently some were caught by members of the public ... but no, health and safety would not allow that! Could they not have entered the building and tried to put out the fire floor by floor? Apparently they are supposed to work from the inside .... or once the fire had taken hold, possibly their safety was placed above any possible rescue of a member of the public ...
A bit harsh on the emergency services who time and time again put their lives in danger in the line of duty,,, personally I think that they do a fantastic job in the wake of cutbacks,, you don't have to look too far back at events in London and Manchester to see that and to suggest they would let people die is not on.
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Old 14th June 2017, 14:53   #24 (permalink)
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The way its raged its way up the outside of the building seems to me that inadequate or substandard materials have been used. Same happened in some ME oil rich country a few years back, the outside of a luxury hotel went up like petrol was poured on it...........Of course out there heads would've literally rolled.
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Old 14th June 2017, 15:03   #25 (permalink)
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Could they not have entered the building and tried to put out the fire floor by floor? Apparently they are supposed to work from the inside .... or once the fire had taken hold, possibly their safety was placed above any possible rescue of a member of the public ...
Did you see the FT pic Eliza? Anyone entering this inferno would need to have a helluva death wish.

https://www.kyivpost.com/world/finan...aze-video.html
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Old 14th June 2017, 15:37   #26 (permalink)
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it shows that the idea of people staying in their flats protected by fire doors "until they are rescued" is not the save-all that people think ... if people can't get in to rescue them and the building itself collapses, those inside have no chance.... apparently fire engines were just standing idly by ...
The building when was when designed and built, to contain any blaze in the individual apartment. Then lo and behold some pillock comes along with the idea of cladding the outside of the building in a flammable material, which was completed in 2016. It could clearly be seen how the flames spread rapidly right to the top of the building, entering each apartment through the windows.
Whoever stamped the planning for this modification to the building will have to answer a lot of questions.
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Apparently children were being thrown down from windows ... so the fire brigade could have tried to catch them, apparently some were caught by members of the public ... but no, health and safety would not allow that! Could they not have entered the building and tried to put out the fire floor by floor? Apparently they are supposed to work from the inside .... or once the fire had taken hold, possibly their safety was placed above any possible rescue of a member of the public ...
I'm sure all of the brave men and women of the fire service put saving lives as their top priority, including catching babies thrown from windows!!!
Of course their own safety has to be taken into consideration and I find your post very harsh.
They have entered the building as soon as they possibly could, not knowing what they were going to encounter and putting their lives at risk to save others.
Have you thought about the services families, knowing their loved ones are there and wondering of they will come home tonight.
Thank God we have these brave men and women.

My heart goes out to everyone involved in this, for the tragic loss of life and those that are left with nothing but what they stand up in.


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Radio said one guy who was on the floor it started on ,wrapped wet towels round his kids heads got out his flat with them quick. He said no way was he taking the advice of staying in the flat .Wise man.
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I hope when all the investigations have been concluded the building is pulled down.
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The fire brigade apparently signed off the building works , Boris Johnson was mayor at the time.

If the works followed legal guideline neither the mayor or fire brigade can be held responsible for the regulations , that lies with government.

Blaming Boris , Sadiq or Ken is a waste if time , they have allegedly expert advisors from the government and the fire service to consult.

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