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Old 12th August 2017, 12:46   #11 (permalink)
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Re: Should Life mean Life

Why do we call it a life sentence if it isnt for life?
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Old 12th August 2017, 13:15   #12 (permalink)
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Why do we call it a life sentence if it isnt for life?
I think because it can mean life. Society & the legal system just covering all options.
I'm not going to say, there's murder & there's murder but thats how it seems to be looked at.
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Re: Should Life mean Life

In my opinion life sentence should be life, particularly for those who commit evil crimes. Don't agree with letting people out for good behaviour, tough I say, do the crime do the time.
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Yes, life should mean life and extra years for bad behaviour not less years for good.
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Re: Should Life mean Life

If life means life how can they be given extra years??
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Old 13th August 2017, 08:00   #16 (permalink)
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Re: Should Life mean Life

Yes! Absolutely! Many sentences are a joke and thats if offenders even get a custodial sentence. Far too many people get repeated slaps on the wrist. On a program I saw recently a 15 year old was caught stealing cars and they said he was known to be involved in over 40 other car thefts & some burglaries - what the hell is he doing still walking around able to carry on stealing??? Its a joke!
How many times do we hear "there isn't enough room in the prisons"??? SO? build some more !!!!

Rant over.

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Re: Should Life mean Life

It takes money , whilst we conspire to make the rich of society ever richer , there will not be enough money available to ensure that the ordinary citizen can live a decent life.

Therefore there will never be enough prisos in order to protect society from the criminal scum , scum from all sectors and classes of society.

Do not forget that the Conservatives do not believe in the concept of society , therefore to them there is nothing to protect , only the right to acquire as much money as possible regardless of the cost to a society , that to them , does not exist.

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Re: Should Life mean Life

Ref. Post No. 10 - Spurs. How ridiculous a system is that? Designed to confuse. I suppose it is permutations of this that allow convicted felons out of jail after serving a lesser amount of time than the judge at their trial said.

Saoirse: extra time could be added to a sentence because life does not mean life. It means something less after applying the various permutations as outlined by Spurs. I wonder if any criminal goes into jail knowing exactly when he/she will be let out?

We have of course an example of "the life means life" sentence. War criminal Rudolph Hess. Despite repeated attempts by his family to get him released, he was kept in prison until he died. I think it was Russia who blocked attempts to release him.

Brady and Hindley never got out and that is as it should be. Although interestingly the judge did not specify a minimum term. He just said "a very long time". They both got concurrent sentences, which I consider to be wrong. Sentences for more than one offence should be served consecutively.

Still, I doubt whether any radical overhauls of the sentencing powers of our courts will happen any time soon.

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Ref. Post No. 10 - Spurs. How ridiculous a system is that? Designed to confuse. I suppose it is permutations of this that allow convicted felons out of jail after serving a lesser amount of time than the judge at their trial said.

Saoirse: extra time could be added to a sentence because life does not mean life. It means something less after applying the various permutations as outlined by Spurs. I wonder if any criminal goes into jail knowing exactly when he/she will be let out?

We have of course an example of "the life means life" sentence. War criminal Rudolph Hess. Despite repeated attempts by his family to get him released, he was kept in prison until he died. I think it was Russia who blocked attempts to release him.

Brady and Hindley never got out and that is as it should be. Although interestingly the judge did not specify a minimum term. He just said "a very long time". They both got concurrent sentences, which I consider to be wrong. Sentences for more than one offence should be served consecutively.

Still, I doubt whether any radical overhauls of the sentencing powers of our courts will happen any time soon.

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Yes and the do gooder's still tried to get them out
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Re: Should Life mean Life

Early 1980s one of my sons & a friend were walking home from a New Years Eve party. They walked down one road where a party was still on going & was in the garden and on the road. Lads there with shirts off & pissed. Next thing my son & his mate are surrounded by drunken yobs, punches & kicks were thrown, my son decked one who on the way down the guy hit his head on a curb, he was out cold. The yobs realised that their picked on the wrong couple, my son & his friend finally legged it out of there.

My son the next day told me about it, no big deal I thought !!

Couple of days later & my sons friend along with his Father were on my doorstep. Through the grapevine they had heard that the guy was on life support. The Father was a long standing friend of mine & his suggestion was, we need to go to the police & explain what's happened, my attitude was...........in your dreams !!! My son could've been facing a murder/manslaughter charge if the guy died.

I had a few friends in the police at different forces, one in Grantham well away from Brum, so I set up the meet with him. I explained what had gone on & his advice was, "keep quiet". He explained to me about the "self defence" laws & how if a person had an out from confrontation then the shout of self defence could be questioned ie my son & his friend could've ran away before the confrontation. Turns out the guy made a full recovery all be it with a metal plate in his head for the rest of his days.

I know some on here can say "ah but" BUT thats why there are various handed down of time to be served, if my son had been found guilty of murder, would he have deserved to spend the next 50 years of his life in prison?

Its called mitigation, don't get me wrong some should be locked up for life but don't be throwing a blanket over all.
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