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Old 10th January 2018, 21:31   #21 (permalink)
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Re: The Daily Hail, it dont like it up em!.

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Freedom to choose what you sell or what you buy,---think about it before you extrapolate it to the end of the planet
It is a sh1t paper , that's why they dont want it, why would anyone buy / sell something they detest?
How does that stop a paper printing anything, ie infringe their "freedom"?


" Sorry Sir, we dont sell Razzle Mens Mag, -----" So whatever happened to the freedom of the press"
I agree with you, it is a sh1t paper, but a slippery slope when owners of any company deny customers choice because of their own politics/views.

Your "Freedom of choice to sell or what you buy"scenario mentioned could easily backfire IMHO and give the "Right" or the Extreme eg bakers/BB company owners having that same Freedom to discriminate with the right to sell or not cakes or rooms to only people whose lifestyles they agree with.

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Re: The Daily Hail, it dont like it up em!.

Trying to understand your point but the Daily Mail has impacted so many lives without truth.

For the past 30 odd years as a family we have been grateful to our GP, seen us through the odd crisis.

Due for retirement, she vowed to stay on.

My last visit to her , saw her in tears. Always thought of her as fairly pragmatic.

The DM had run a particularly nasty campaign against GP's and as she rightly said It's time for me to go.

As she said, contrary to the DM, she had never worked only 4 hours a day, had expensive lunches, played golf on afternoons or even earned anything above 65,000 a year, let alone claimed expenses.

A great, hard working , compassionate lady finally done for by the DM.
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I agree with you, it is a sh1t paper, but a slippery slope when owners of any company deny customers choice because of their own politics/views.

Your "Freedom of choice to sell or what you buy"scenario mentioned could easily backfire IMHO and give the "Right" or the Extreme eg bakers/BB company owners having that same Freedom to discriminate with the right to sell or not cakes or rooms to only people whose lifestyles they agree with.
Steady now guys, next you will say that because my corner shop doesnt stock Smedley's peas, they are infringing my right of choice.
Virgin is the customer, they are entitled to choose what they buy to sell, bet you they dont sell The Socialist Worker either.
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Ooohh Mollaq , Smedley's , you antiquarian , you .

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Re: The Daily Hail, it dont like it up em!.

Bought the DM once & that was in Turkey, to be fair we only buy a paper on Saturday for the TV guide now.
I think it has to be said, would Virgin have taken the same stance if their product(s) were used daily, nationwide by shoppers & where there were alternatives ie food products?

Branson wouldn't have got to where he is today without a bit of BS along the way.........and some clever accountancy work.
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Ooohh Mollaq , Smedley's , you antiquarian , you .

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Re: The Daily Hail, it dont like it up em!.

The point I am trying to make is although the DM is hateful it's a slippery slope for company owners to deny choice to their customers based on their politics or views.

Company owners shouldn't take upon themselves to decide for the customer. The choice is with the customer who is adult enough to make that choice if to read crap or not. It is no real deterrent anyway as they have wifi and the DM is online. The reason given by RB for not selling the DM was “not compatible” with his brand or "beliefs".

Also, the freedom Mollag suggested was you should have the right to sell what you wanted. Well, that would mean equally you have the same right not to sell.

And that could lead IMHO to a slippery slope used by extremes, similar to what happened in NI when a company owner wanted the right not to sell a cake to a Gay couple because it wasn't “ compatible with their beliefs” which should and was I think illegal

If they had just dropped the DM from stock no problem. IMHO it was politized by giving the reason for dropping it was due to the Company owners own political beliefs. Anyway, it is only my opinion right or wrong.

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Re: The Daily Hail, it dont like it up em!.

I get your point but i think the gay couple cake thing was that they refused a customer/s because of their lifestyle, not a product, ie if they decided to not stock a certain cake, it would reduce choice for all customers, not just Gay ones.
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Re: The Daily Hail, it dont like it up em!.

After mulling it over I reckon the decision by Virgin is on the limit when it comes to business/politics/people/free speech.
You throw stones at a media outlet & you can expect boulders to come back, no doubt the DM are scrutinizing every aspect of RB life & business as we speak.

Storm in a teacup compared to some restricts that have been implemented over the past few years on the QT I reckon.
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Re: The Daily Hail, it dont like it up em!.

Agreed, who remembers Outspan oranges ? our choice of citrus products was arbitrarily reduced, albeit for fine reasons---somehow we survived

Having said this, I will admit to being a DM dumper, when I spy free DM's in airports, I hoist a load and dump em in a nearby bin, scratches an itch for me that does .
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