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Old 8th February 2018, 15:34   #11 (permalink)
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Is it only OK because its in the ME or can Brits just go anywhere with the same thoughts & attitude? After all Islamic radical groups are on every Continent which of course includes the UK, can we sanction J Bloggs & co acting the same way here?
I take it that to keep this PC you are referring to Jo and Joanna Bloggs
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Old 8th February 2018, 16:01   #12 (permalink)
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I take it that to keep this PC you are referring to Jo and Joanna Bloggs
That's why I only put J..........people can fill in the rest.
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Old 8th February 2018, 16:14   #13 (permalink)
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Unfair? No. The law is clear, you cannot as a British citizen go and fight with(or otherwise support) any terrorist organisation, and expect to return to UK without consequences. End of.
If they turn a blind eye it is the same as the UK government supporting the aims of the group that he fought with. That cannot be allowed to happen in international politics. They are fraught enough as it is.

What would have happened in WW2 if the Blackshirts had all donned SS uniform, gone to Germany, or worked in one of the concentration camps, and then returned?

There is a reason that the symbol of justice is shown blindfolded.
And the other two symbols of modern democracy & law are; 'no hear' & 'no speak' no evil! Governments are doing all sorts under the radar', most of which we never get to hear about, the little we do get to hear about is generally nothing to boast about..... Arms deals being just one of many....

I don't suppose the growth in the Private Army business could have anything to do with the decimation of our Armed Forces at home, could it?

https://www.theguardian.com/business...y-says-charity

Sorry Kanga, but I doubt the victims in the concentration camps would have noticed a difference between a Blackshirt or Brownshirt strutting around r been concerned about where they were going afterwards.... Didn't the Nazi's collaborate with Mussolini & facilitated training of some of his troops?

Meanwhile, it would be good if our authority's started bringing in Known Terrorists who have returned to the UK instead of going after someone who was fighting them - He's being used as an easy target to deflect the real threat to our safety & security! Silly boy should have taken money for risking his life & got himself a job with G4S...........

More than 400 British Isis jihadis have already returned to UK, report warns | The Independent

Sorry, but when they start charging & imprisoning all the corporate thieves & Bankers, I just may get some belief in our Justice system back.....
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Re: Unfair?

Silly me; I thought this thread was asking for responses to the return of 'freedom fighters' / 'terrorists' to UK being charged with terrorism offences. I used the brownsh!ts as an analogy to ask how their return would have been viewed.

On that basis, I dont see the point of this comment.

Sorry Kanga, but I doubt the victims in the concentration camps would have noticed a difference between a Blackshirt or Brownshirt strutting around r been concerned about where they were going afterwards.... Didn't the Nazi's collaborate with Mussolini & facilitated training of some of his troops?


As I said, the symbol of British justice is depicted as blindfolded, precisely to avoid any accusation or risk of bias.The disgusting nazis etc are best left to their fate.

Meanwhile, it would be good if our authority's started bringing in Known Terrorists who have returned to the UK instead of going after someone who was fighting them - He's being used as an easy target to deflect the real threat to our safety & security! Silly boy should have taken money for risking his life & got himself a job with G4S...........


Isn't this what is happening today?

There was an interview this morning on R4's today with a French journalist who was held for 10 months by ISIS and possibly these 2 individuals.
He said that the best thing would be for them to be returned to UK and to face the highest quality of trial, with all the representation needed to put their case.
While this might seem excessive, he explained that this gives justice, not revenge. Revenge, he said, could be turned against us and used to radicalise more people. Justice is open, and cannot be disputed. It gives them nowhere to hide and a just sentence to serve.
If we just dump them in Guantanamo it will not help, tempting as it may be.

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Re: Unfair?

its fair. Don't be fooled by silly titles such as SDF (Syrian Democratic Forces) these are mixtures of all sorts, professionally trained soldiers, militias, bandits etc. Americans just gave them a more appealing name, so back home it looks acceptable to support such a group. Just like any other force out there, they have dodgy human rights records.


https://www.newsdeeply.com/syria/art...orces-a-primer
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I'm awaiting the radicals called Al Jaberwocky............FFS don't arm them.
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