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Old 10th February 2018, 10:12   #11 (permalink)
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Re: Border between NI and Republic

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Accepted by all parties, you having a laugh !!!!!

It was certainly never accepted by Nats in the North
It was accepted by the two countries and the EU - all the relevant parties that have to agree treaties.

What we see here is the problem laid bare: there are many that do not want a solution even when it is offered on a silver plate.

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Old 10th February 2018, 10:31   #12 (permalink)
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Re: Border between NI and Republic

Lol

You sure don't understand our politics on this island- and definitely not the GFA!!!!

I will help you out to underline why local agreement is vital- and Barnier himself agrees with that

You erect your " modern technology" all singing all dancing border post at Killeavy.

The locals dismantle it- they have already promised mass civil mobilisation to oppose any form of infrastructure.

What's your next move? Guard the place? Put the British Army back on the border?
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Old 10th February 2018, 11:09   #13 (permalink)
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Re: Border between NI and Republic

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It was written by the EU Commission, so how is it "waffle "study""? This was their own solution to the problem as they identified it, which was then accepted by all parties.

You donīt need to read the whole thing, the first page summary sets out the problem and how to deal with it.

The border "problem" was raised, after this had been accepted, as a way to thwart Brexit.

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The summary you posted is chock full of jargon and waffle, the "Study" likewise is full of it, that is why it is a Waffle Study, padded out with superfluous verbiage, right out of "yes minister"
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Re: Border between NI and Republic

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Lol

You sure don't understand our politics on this island- and definitely not the GFA!!!!

I will help you out to underline why local agreement is vital- and Barnier himself agrees with that

You erect your " modern technology" all singing all dancing border post at Killeavy.

The locals dismantle it- they have already promised mass civil mobilisation to oppose any form of infrastructure.

What's your next move? Guard the place? Put the British Army back on the border?
Its simple irexit
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Old 10th February 2018, 11:23   #15 (permalink)
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Re: Border between NI and Republic

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The summary you posted is chock full of jargon and waffle, the "Study" likewise is full of it, that is why it is a Waffle Study, padded out with superfluous verbiage, right out of "yes minister"
Well who can be surprised at that? It was written by the EU to satisfy themselves and the problem they had identified. So the ultimate bureaucracy spouts gobbledegook - no surprise there, that is what they do. Whatever the style, it is what is in it that matters.

Remember, it is the EU that wants this border, not UK. So if the locals tear it down, let the Republic guard it.

Anyway, for those that want this to be an unsolvable problem, there is nothing that could be said to make it go away, even when they have penned their own solution to the problem they need to survive.

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Old 10th February 2018, 12:42   #16 (permalink)
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Re: Border between NI and Republic

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It was written by the EU Commission, so how is it "waffle "study""? This was their own solution to the problem as they identified it, which was then accepted by all parties.

You donīt need to read the whole thing, the first page summary sets out the problem and how to deal with it.

The border "problem" was raised, after this had been accepted, as a way to thwart Brexit.

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Can we agree it isnt a "Non problem" then, as in your OP. ? Brexit is hard enough for everyone, an invented problem doesnt seem likely nor can i see a "Non problem", just a problem folks wish would go away.
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Re: Border between NI and Republic

What they are talking about is a TRADE border. I think some people are mis-interpreting it to mean a Donald Trump type wall. This was never the intention, it refers to the trade issues between the two Countries.
It has been announced on todays news that Southern Ireland are looking at a trade loss of 18 billion when Brexit comes into force.
A similar issue arrived when they built the channel tunnel, Where would the customs be? Who would have jurisdiction over an incident inside the tunnel? It was sorted fairly easily.
It seems to be a stalling tactic by the Irish Government.
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Re: Border between NI and Republic

The Eu has to agree nothing , the UK want to leave but still enjoy some benefits . Members do not have to agree to this . If it comes to a take it or leave it then the economic cost will hit everyone. The Uk will face absorbing 100% of their costs , EU members will bear a share , who will be hardest hit ?

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Ireland imports 90pc of its oil and gas from UK - so energy must be near top of list of Brexit priorities

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/c...-35654758.html
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Re: Border between NI and Republic

When the deal was done in order to move the talks to the second phase everyone seemed happy. There was to be NO BORDER CONTROLS and NO CUSTOMS. Davis got slapped down shortly afterwards for suggesting that it was merely a proposal.

I strongly suspected at the time that it was a fudge and a ruse. After all how could the UK deliver this and at the same time stating that they don't want to be part of the Customs Union. A play on words is what we have been getting since then with expressions like 'customs arrangements'.

I don't think that either Dublin or Brussels will be impressed with the current backsliding and it will put the UK in a position where nobody will trust them to keep to any agreement. They are of course held to ransom by the people who can only say NO. The UK has got a weak government and a weaker leader.
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