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Old 10th February 2018, 10:12   #1 (permalink)
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Border between NI and Republic

For all the guff being thrown up over this non-problem, it turns out that the EU has published its own solution which UK accepts (link below).

It is called "Smart Border 2.0. Avoiding a hard border on the island of Ireland for customs control and the free movement of persons"

It is based upon technology and automation and can be up and running very quickly.

It now seem that the whole non-issue has been used by EU and the new Taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, to "weaponise" the border issue and frustrate Brexit - a stated aim of Varadkar.

Short extract from the Abstract:

"...movement and trade between Northern Ireland and Ireland and identifies international standards and best practices and provide insights into creating a smooth border experience. The technical solution provided is based on innovative approaches with a focus on cooperation, best practices and technologies that can be used to avoid a "hard" border as well as case studies that provide insights into creating a smooth border experience. The technical solution provided is based on innovative approaches with a focus on cooperation, best practices and technology that is independent of any political agreements on the d offers a template for future UK-EU border relationships."

So for all the fuss, it seems it is not a problem after all. So why have they decided to make it one?

Full: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegDat...)596828_EN.pdf

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Old 10th February 2018, 10:18   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Border between NI and Republic

Ian it's a large document to read... can you tell me in simple terms how a hard border can now be avoided in Ireland .
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Re: Border between NI and Republic

Just saying it aint a problem is just a head in the sand approach, it is and will be a significant problem, denial and relying on a waffle "study" will not resolve the problem that so many serious people anticipate, it aint just forum members who think so, more knowledgeable people within the process think it's a deal breaker also.
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Re: Border between NI and Republic

Lol

If only it were so

As has been pointed out ad nauseam

Firstly such a technical approach requires infrastructure at the border- that's already been ruled out for various reasons

Secondly the Irish border geographically does not lend itself to such solutions due to a plethora of crossing points- both official and unofficial

Thirdly the actual idea of any border reinforcing difference on the 2 parts of the island is in itself totally at odds with the GFA and as such extremely unsatisfactory politically

If there has to be some sort of customs/trading disparity recognition between UK and EU the most logical solution is special status for the North or failing that the border being at Britain.

Unfortunately due to the shambolic Tory govt being propped up by the crackpot " no no no" Dup both these solutions are currently shelved
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Re: Border between NI and Republic

The Irish Border
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Re: Border between NI and Republic

Hard or soft border won't make any difference to true Irish people. 70 years ago my mother used to go 'home' to county Tyrone to visit her mother but would never miss an opportunity to beat the border guards. She would buy oversized bloomers and walk to the border, show her ID card and proceed into the Free State. After some time she would wander back to the crossing and again show her card. When she got back to my Grandmothers house she would empty the bloomer onto the table and they would all dance round the cigarettes, nylons and chocolate she had smuggled in.

70 years later I doubt that they are any different, no obstacle will stand in their way.
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Re: Border between NI and Republic

I have heard the name of Saoirse mentioned with regard to Free State budgie smuggling, it's a fact!
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Re: Border between NI and Republic

I had a relative who made quite a few quid in the 50s smuggling butter which was the biggy then

Obviously 80s/90s onwards livestock, fuel etc became massive with certain groupings making absolute millions.
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Re: Border between NI and Republic

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Just saying it aint a problem is just a head in the sand approach, it is and will be a significant problem, denial and relying on a waffle "study" will not resolve the problem that so many serious people anticipate, .
It was written by the EU Commission, so how is it "waffle "study""? This was their own solution to the problem as they identified it, which was then accepted by all parties.

You donīt need to read the whole thing, the first page summary sets out the problem and how to deal with it.

The border "problem" was raised, after this had been accepted, as a way to thwart Brexit.

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Re: Border between NI and Republic

Accepted by all parties, you having a laugh !!!!!

It was certainly never accepted by Nats in the North
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