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Old 14th May 2018, 10:51   #131 (permalink)
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I do apologise if I have got it wrong, but can you be a little more specific?

You posted an article and a link that didn’t point to that article. Was my #127 unclear?

Since when has pointing out a clear contradiction in the narrative been a "rant against the UK & the West"?

As you have been unable to provide a link to the articles (twice) then they carry little weight.

And your rant against the UK & the West is ongoing in every post that you make.
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"Military Intelligence" is an oxymoron.
That's a lazy & trite remark, the sort of thing I used to come out with when I was about 17
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Old 18th May 2018, 11:06   #133 (permalink)
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Re: Spying is a very dangerous game.

Well, well, well.......... Now it transpires that Germany had knowledge & a sample of Novichok in the 1990's, which they shared with other countries.....

"Two decades ago Germany’s intelligence service, the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), reportedly helped obtain information about the deadly neurotoxin Novichok, the substance used to poison the former Russian double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia, in March.

The Germans were privy to the poison’s chemical formula in the 1990s thanks to a sample from a Russian scientist who defected, German media reported. The compound was first analyzed in a laboratory in Sweden. Afterwards, the formula was sent to Germany’s Ministry of Defense and the BND."

"The Russian scientist, who was not identified by name, was said to have smuggled the neurotoxin from Russia in exchange for a guarantee of German residency for him and his family. That operation, which apparently had support from the German intelligence services, is a sensitive issue because Germany signed an international convention in the 1950s that banned any manufacture of chemical weapons. Any experiments with a Novichok sample would have breached that convention."

https://global.handelsblatt.com/poli...germany-923170

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Old 18th May 2018, 11:40   #134 (permalink)
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Re: Spying is a very dangerous game.

I don't think it has ever been denied that quite a few NATO members had "samples" not only Germany but also Sweden, France, Britain, and the United States all have samples. Which came as you say from a Scientist defector from the Novichok project that the Russian's denied existed

. He gave technical information about the Novichok agents in exchange for safe passage to the West for him and his immediate family. So yes they could produce it but don't really have the motive.

This is why most Europeans and the US most likely easily fell into line with the UK having a sample to compare, and knowing the source DNA and composition.

It also said they were kept to experiment with various defense measures against them and to produce antidotes.

Certainly sells newspapers when there is a dearth of news on it, and feeds the conspiracy theories.

https://intelnews.org/2018/05/18/01-2324/

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Well, well, well.......... Now it transpires that Germany had knowledge & a sample of Novichok in the 1990's, which they shared with other countries.....

"Two decades ago Germany’s intelligence service, the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), reportedly helped obtain information about the deadly neurotoxin Novichok, the substance used to poison the former Russian double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia, in March.

The Germans were privy to the poison’s chemical formula in the 1990s thanks to a sample from a Russian scientist who defected, German media reported. The compound was first analyzed in a laboratory in Sweden. Afterwards, the formula was sent to Germany’s Ministry of Defense and the BND."

"The Russian scientist, who was not identified by name, was said to have smuggled the neurotoxin from Russia in exchange for a guarantee of German residency for him and his family. That operation, which apparently had support from the German intelligence services, is a sensitive issue because Germany signed an international convention in the 1950s that banned any manufacture of chemical weapons. Any experiments with a Novichok sample would have breached that convention."

https://global.handelsblatt.com/poli...germany-923170

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Old 18th May 2018, 11:49   #136 (permalink)
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Well, well, well.......... Now it transpires that Germany had knowledge & a sample of Novichok in the 1990's, which they shared with other countries.....
So now Germany is under the spotlight!

And what motive might they have had? Do tell, I love conspiracy stories.

I still reckon it was the East Cheam Ladies Knitting Guild, a right evil lot (oops, I hope you're not a member )

Sergei Skripal released from UK hospital

"Former Russian double agent Sergei Skripal, who was poisoned with a nerve toxin in England in March, has been released from the hospital, the British health authority NHS says…

https://www.rferl.org/a/sergei-skrip.../29235124.html
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Re: Spying is a very dangerous game.

Tintagel's point if I'm not mistaken, is not that Germany was/is a suspect, rather they have produced the chemical, albeit in laboratory amounts. It has also been produced in the Czech Republic, again in small quantities.

If for one minute the UK narrative is accepted, then Porton Down MUST have had stocks of Novichok in order to be able to identify the poison that was allegedly used on the Skripal's.
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Tintagel's point if I'm not mistaken, is not that Germany was/is a suspect, rather they have produced the chemical, albeit in laboratory amounts. It has also been produced in the Czech Republic, again in small quantities.

If for one minute the UK narrative is accepted, then Porton Down MUST have had stocks of Novichok in order to be able to identify the poison that was allegedly used on the Skripal's.
No doubt Germany & others had samples but whether any nation (apart from Russia) manufactured them in weapon capable quantities is well open to doubt.

But before trying to muddy waters further perhaps you could suggest any nation (again apart from Russia) that might have a motive for carrying out such an attack.
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Re: Spying is a very dangerous game.

It's not only Germany which has had hands-on Novichok, quite a few including USA, UK, Sweden etc etc, have been running tests on it, searching for an antidote etc, etc.

The main thrust of the case against Russia was that they were the Only country in the frame for the poisoning, 'knowledge, access, motive'. That is now clearly Not the case, nor was it ever!

So, Who, dunnit????
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It's not only Germany which has had hands-on Novichok, quite a few including USA, UK, Sweden etc etc, have been running tests on it, searching for an antidote etc, etc.

The main thrust of the case against Russia was that they were the Only country in the frame for the poisoning, 'knowledge, access, motive'. That is now clearly Not the case, nor was it ever!

So, Who, dunnit????
Only one country had the motive, case solved!
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