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Old 21st April 2018, 10:13   #21 (permalink)
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Re: Spying is a very dangerous game.

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At one point they were pointing at a man, who came on the same flight as the daughter, and went back to Russia 5 hours later. The suggestion being, presumably, that had used those intervening hours to drive to Wiltshire, set the poison trap to trigger the next day, drive back to Heathrow and board the next flight out.

It still has not been explained why nobody is dead, yet the town seems to be covered in contamination that requires cleaners in hazchem suits to deal with it.

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Exactly. It is all a load of rubbish. A pure, military grade, your dead in seconds toxin was used, don't forget.

Take a look at the letter below dated 10th March 2018, specifically paragraph 3.



It is now the 21st April. So what was the decontamination going on then, if any? If it wasn't, Rudd is lying again. If it's only just started why the delay of 6 weeks? What's been going on in the meantime? What?- are we only going to start now?

Remember the photos of people in full protective suits alongside people with no protection and of course the police with their fully protective uniforms.

You really, really couldn't make this stuff up. It a pantomime but without a script.

STOP PRESS: The BBC are now trying to backtrack on the toxicity of Novichok. They are now stating:

"When these are mixed, they react to produce the active toxic agent which can cause convulsions, shortness of breath, profuse sweating and nausea."

Novichok is designed to kill you within minutes, but the BBC have now removed death as a symptom!

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43798068

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Re: Spying is a very dangerous game.

Rose, you seem to continue perpetuating the same line without taking on board there are alternative answers ( In fact you meet your definition of a "bot" Rose quote ... bots perform tasks that are both simple and structurally repetitive)

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It is all a load of rubbish. A pure, military grade, your dead in seconds toxin was used,
The "bots" unable to react/ ingest new information of a counter explanation but can only repeat repetitively the same.

Even if the Novichok purity was high or military grade. The fact they are not dead could be down to a list of various factors.

From dosage application, time exposed to the substance, the method of contact as well as local factors of the scene, such as exposure to weather, the presence of water, the temperature.

How quickly substance was removed or fell from contact. What part of the body the poison entered, how much poison was absorbed or not.

Physical size, the general state of health and age of victims.


Wasn't these a few of your complaints towards the British investigation ...

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12th Surely their must have been extensive CCTV footage of the perpetrator. Why is it that no one seems to be interested in who the person is? Why are there no descriptions from staff and patrons?

13th If the British have identified the person from CCTV footage, why are they not providing this to the Russians with their identity, rather than making vague claims about the source and nature of the toxin?

14th If they have not been able to identify the perpetrator, why have they not published photos and tried to identify this person? If the perpetrator is still at large in the UK, are they not a threat to other people? Why aren't police mounting a nationwide hunt to find this person?
But it looks like the British police were doing the investigation you complained they weren't doing, each slowly being ticked off.

I think it is normal in police investigations the public like yourself aren't party to what is going on in that investigation as we have seen how ill-informed statements can be misconstrued.


The Telegraph has said of the British police investigation

It is thought that a search of flight manifests in and out of the UK has yielded specific names in the hunt for the Skripals’ would-be assassins. Police have also drawn on extensive CCTV footage in Salisbury and have also drawn on extensive CCTV footage in Salisbury and have also trawled car number plate recognition cameras.

Counter-terrorism police are now trying to build a case against “persons of interest”, who are believed to be back in Russia.

The believed in this case would be under the definition to have a conviction that (a person) is, has been, or will be engaged in a given action or involved in a given situation: So no need for a pointless manhunt.

Maybe if you left the investigation run its course rather than make suppositions based on no evidence...

It wasn't long ago on the thread Evidence was what was being called for from the authorities rather than accusations of Russia, now seems the roles are reversed and accusations are being made on here with no evidence, and when alternative options of why/ where are shown, not taken on board as it doesn't fit thier narrative.

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Old 21st April 2018, 11:51   #23 (permalink)
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Re: Spying is a very dangerous game.

Wouldn't surprise me if they don't already have a face for who has laid this poison down.
What to do? Blast his/her face right across the media? What if he/her has more, would they just dump it? If this was State sponsored I reckon the perp might be well gone out of the UK & now awaiting a medal ceremony somewhere.

What I heard or read was that this nerve agent only penetrated the first layer of skin of the victims........thats why treatment was enabled.
Just to add, I'm personally watching someone who one day is truly on deaths door & one small table brings them back to life the next day........theres some mighty powerful medication kicking about, you don't hear about it till you see it in action.
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Rose, you seem to continue perpetuating the same line without taking on board there are alternative answers ( In fact you meet your definition of a "bot" Rose quote ... bots perform tasks that are both simple and structurally repetitive)

The "bots" unable to react/ ingest new information of a counter explanation but can only repeat repetitively the same.

Even if the Novichok purity was high or military grade. The fact they are not dead could be down to a list of various factors.

From dosage application, time exposed to the substance, the method of contact as well as local factors of the scene, such as exposure to weather, the presence of water, the temperature.

How quickly substance was removed or fell from contact. What part of the body the poison entered, how much poison was absorbed or not.

Physical size, the general state of health and age of victims.

Wasn't these a few of your complaints towards the British investigation ...

But it looks like the British police were doing the investigation you complained they weren't doing, each slowly being ticked off.

I think it is normal in police investigations the public like yourself aren't party to what is going on in that investigation as we have seen how ill-informed statements can be misconstrued.

The Telegraph has said of the British police investigation

It is thought that a search of flight manifests in and out of the UK has yielded specific names in the hunt for the Skripals’ would-be assassins. Police have also drawn on extensive CCTV footage in Salisbury and have also drawn on extensive CCTV footage in Salisbury and have also trawled car number plate recognition cameras.

Counter-terrorism police are now trying to build a case against “persons of interest”, who are believed to be back in Russia.

The believed in this case would be under the definition to have a conviction that (a person) is, has been, or will be engaged in a given action or involved in a given situation: So no need for a pointless manhunt.

Maybe if you left the investigation run its course rather than make suppositions based on no evidence...

It wasn't long ago on the thread Evidence was what was being called for from the authorities rather than accusations of Russia, now seems the roles are reversed and accusations are being made on here with no evidence, and when alternative options of why/ where are shown, not taken on board as it doesn't fit thier narrative.

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Wouldn't surprise me if they don't already have a face for who has laid this poison down.
What to do? Blast his/her face right across the media? What if he/her has more, would they just dump it? If this was State sponsored I reckon the perp might be well gone out of the UK & now awaiting a medal ceremony somewhere.

What I heard or read was that this nerve agent only penetrated the first layer of skin of the victims........thats why treatment was enabled.
Just to add, I'm personally watching someone who one day is truly on deaths door & one small table brings them back to life the next day........theres some mighty powerful medication kicking about, you don't hear about it till you see it in action.
- The Skripal poisoning happened on 4th March 2018.
- Eye witnesses described the Skripals as disoriented and probably hallucinating.
- A few days later the UK government claimed that the Skripals had been poisoned by a nerve agent known as “'Novichok”, which they attributed to Russia. It was suggested that the Skripals might soon die.
- A doctor at the Salisbury District Hospital publicly asserted that none of its patients was victim of a 'nerve agent'.
- In her statement to the House of Commons on 12th March 2018, Theresa May stated the following: “It is now clear that Mr Skripal and his daughter were poisoned with a military-grade nerve agent of a type developed by Russia.This is part of a group of nerve agents known as ‘Novichok’. Based on the positive identification of this chemical agent by world-leading experts at the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory at Porton Down” [my emphasis added]
https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...-12-march-2018
- On the 14th March, HMG finally invited the OPCW to analyse the blood of the victims and to take environmental samples.
- The OPCW arrived on 19th March and took specimens on the following days. It also received a share of the samples taken earlier by the British chemical weapon laboratory in Porton Down (which is only some 10 miles away from Salisbury).
- On 22nd March at the High Court, permission was granted to allow further samples to be taken from the Skripals blood.
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-cont...r-20180322.pdf
- On the 28th March Viktoria Skripal said the prognosis for both “really isn’t good” following the Novichok nerve agent attack in Salisbury, Wiltshire, on 4 March. She told the BBC: “Out of 99% I have maybe 1% of hope. Whatever it was has given them a very small chance of survival. But they’re going to be invalids for the rest of their lives.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ia-russian-spy
- One day later on the 29th March, Yulia Skripal makes a miraculous recovery.
“The condition of Yulia Skripal, who was poisoned with a nerve agent in Salisbury along with her father, is improving rapidly, doctors have said. Salisbury NHS foundation trust said on Thursday the 33-year-old was no longer in a critical condition, describing her medical state as stable.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-salisbury-nhs
- On 12 th April the OPCW publishes a summary version of the results of the analyses it had received from its laboratories. https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/...12-2018_e_.pdf
- A more extensive confidential version was given to the state members that make up the OPCW.

At the High Court, it was stated that:

“i) CC: Porton Down Chemical and Biological Analyst Blood samples from Sergei Skripal and Yulia Skripal were analysed and the findings indicated exposure to a nerve agent or related compound. The samples tested positive for the presence of a Novichok class nerve agent or closely related agent.”

The OPCW report stated that:

“10. The results of analysis by the OPCW designated laboratories of environmental and biomedical samples collected by the OPCW team confirm the findings of the United Kingdom relating to the identity of the toxic chemical that was used in Salisbury and severely injured three people.

11. The TAV team notes that the toxic chemical was of high purity. The latter is concluded from the almost complete absence of impurities.

Note above that the wording from the report is extremely vague- meaning they found a positive test for “Novichok” OR a “closely related agent”. The lack of clear and unambiguous language is important because it allows for the authorities recant or reinterpret the above should the need arise at a later date.

That is a brief summary of the facts as has been publically released. As I have tried to explain in my previous posts, that I am extremely skeptical as to what I am being told by the authorities. That being said, let me proceed on the basis of the above being stated as nearly 100% accurate.

Properties of Novichok.

Wikipedia states that- “Acetylcholine concentrations then increase at neuromuscular junctions to cause involuntary contraction of all skeletal muscles. This then leads to respiratory and cardiac arrest (as the victim’s heart and diaphragm muscles no longer function normally) and finally death from heart failure or suffocation as copious fluid secretions fill the victim’s lungs.”

According to Gary Aitkenhead, Chief Executive at Porton Down, there is no known antidote to Novichok.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ce-of-novichok

“Nerve agents are exceptionally deadly. Exposure to a tiny dose, whether through skin contact, inhalation or ingestion, can quickly kill. Tens of milligrams of potent nerve agents such as VX have been known to prove fatal. The 'Novichok' agents are said to be several times more deadly than VX.”

https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/...e#commentsJump

“According to Mirzayanov, some Novichoks can be eight times as deadly as VX, the V-series agent that was used to kill North Korean exile Kim Jong-nam last year. Just 10 milligrams of VX on the skin can be lethal.

There are no previous reports of Novichoks being used in battle or assassinations. However, Andrei Zheleznyakov, a Russian scientist involved in their development, reportedly died not long after being exposed to a small amount that leaked out of a rubber tube in the lab.”

https://www.newscientist.com/article...-russia-do-it/

TL; DR. Novichok type compounds are lethal even in the tiniest of doses on the skin. They act within minutes and there is no known antidote. Samples analysed at Porton Down and the OPCW from the Skripal's blood and their environment confirm the presence of a nerve agent in an extremely pure state. The Skripal’s and DS Bailey should have died within minutes. But, they did not.

Conclusion- what you are being via the authorities cannot possibly be true. As is the case in Syria, everyone is being lied to.

You can carry on believing what you want of course, that’s up to you. But it is not borne out by the facts (as the public have been told them).

In reality, there is no manhunt, no suspects, there is no investigation and no real de-contamination going on. It is merely a charade to continue the lie.

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- The Skripal poisoning happened on 4th March 2018.
- Eye witnesses described the Skripals as disoriented and probably hallucinating.
- A few days later the UK government claimed that the Skripals had been poisoned by a nerve agent known as “'Novichok”, which they attributed to Russia. It was suggested that the Skripals might soon die.
- A doctor at the Salisbury District Hospital publicly asserted that none of its patients was victim of a 'nerve agent'.
- In her statement to the House of Commons on 12th March 2018, Theresa May stated the following: “It is now clear that Mr Skripal and his daughter were poisoned with a military-grade nerve agent of a type developed by Russia.This is part of a group of nerve agents known as ‘Novichok’. Based on the positive identification of this chemical agent by world-leading experts at the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory at Porton Down” [my emphasis added]
https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...-12-march-2018
- On the 14th March, HMG finally invited the OPCW to analyse the blood of the victims and to take environmental samples.
- The OPCW arrived on 19th March and took specimens on the following days. It also received a share of the samples taken earlier by the British chemical weapon laboratory in Porton Down (which is only some 10 miles away from Salisbury).
- On 22nd March at the High Court, permission was granted to allow further samples to be taken from the Skripals blood.
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-cont...r-20180322.pdf
- On the 28th March Viktoria Skripal said the prognosis for both “really isn’t good” following the Novichok nerve agent attack in Salisbury, Wiltshire, on 4 March. She told the BBC: “Out of 99% I have maybe 1% of hope. Whatever it was has given them a very small chance of survival. But they’re going to be invalids for the rest of their lives.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ia-russian-spy
- One day later on the 29th March, Yulia Skripal makes a miraculous recovery.
“The condition of Yulia Skripal, who was poisoned with a nerve agent in Salisbury along with her father, is improving rapidly, doctors have said. Salisbury NHS foundation trust said on Thursday the 33-year-old was no longer in a critical condition, describing her medical state as stable.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-salisbury-nhs
- On 12 th April the OPCW publishes a summary version of the results of the analyses it had received from its laboratories. https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/...12-2018_e_.pdf
- A more extensive confidential version was given to the state members that make up the OPCW.

At the High Court, it was stated that:

“i) CC: Porton Down Chemical and Biological Analyst Blood samples from Sergei Skripal and Yulia Skripal were analysed and the findings indicated exposure to a nerve agent or related compound. The samples tested positive for the presence of a Novichok class nerve agent or closely related agent.”

The OPCW report stated that:

“10. The results of analysis by the OPCW designated laboratories of environmental and biomedical samples collected by the OPCW team confirm the findings of the United Kingdom relating to the identity of the toxic chemical that was used in Salisbury and severely injured three people.

11. The TAV team notes that the toxic chemical was of high purity. The latter is concluded from the almost complete absence of impurities.

Note above that the wording from the report is extremely vague- meaning they found a positive test for “Novichok” OR a “closely related agent”. The lack of clear and unambiguous language is important because it allows for the authorities recant or reinterpret the above should the need arise at a later date.

That is a brief summary of the facts as has been publically released. As I have tried to explain in my previous posts, that I am extremely skeptical as to what I am being told by the authorities. That being said, let me proceed on the basis of the above being stated as nearly 100% accurate.

Properties of Novichok.

Wikipedia states that- “Acetylcholine concentrations then increase at neuromuscular junctions to cause involuntary contraction of all skeletal muscles. This then leads to respiratory and cardiac arrest (as the victim’s heart and diaphragm muscles no longer function normally) and finally death from heart failure or suffocation as copious fluid secretions fill the victim’s lungs.”

According to Gary Aitkenhead, Chief Executive at Porton Down, there is no known antidote to Novichok.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ce-of-novichok

“Nerve agents are exceptionally deadly. Exposure to a tiny dose, whether through skin contact, inhalation or ingestion, can quickly kill. Tens of milligrams of potent nerve agents such as VX have been known to prove fatal. The 'Novichok' agents are said to be several times more deadly than VX.”

https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/...e#commentsJump

“According to Mirzayanov, some Novichoks can be eight times as deadly as VX, the V-series agent that was used to kill North Korean exile Kim Jong-nam last year. Just 10 milligrams of VX on the skin can be lethal.

There are no previous reports of Novichoks being used in battle or assassinations. However, Andrei Zheleznyakov, a Russian scientist involved in their development, reportedly died not long after being exposed to a small amount that leaked out of a rubber tube in the lab.”

https://www.newscientist.com/article...-russia-do-it/

TL; DR. Novichok type compounds are lethal even in the tiniest of doses on the skin. They act within minutes and there is no known antidote. Samples analysed at Porton Down and the OPCW from the Skripal's blood and their environment confirm the presence of a nerve agent in an extremely pure state. The Skripal’s and DS Bailey should have died within minutes. But, they did not.

Conclusion- what you are being via the authorities cannot possibly be true. As is the case in Syria, everyone is being lied to.

You can carry on believing what you want of course, that’s up to you. But it is not borne out by the facts (as the public have been told them).

In reality, there is no manhunt, no suspects, there is no investigation and no real de-contamination going on. It is merely a charade to continue the lie.

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And the goal of this charade being what?
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Re: Spying is a very dangerous game.

At least the assassin has been identified: his name is Gordon! If you know a Russian called Gordon, do not approach him as he could be poisonous, just dial 999 and the police will give you a Crime Number and call round in a few weeks time (if ever) to check it out.

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And the goal of this charade being what?
Steve,

I do not know who poisoned the Skripal's or for what reason.

It is possible of course that the Russian government was behind it. However, this would mean accepting the highly unlikely theory that they decided to target a washed up former MI6 spy, who they released from prison eight years ago, using possibly the craziest assassination method in the history of the world i.e. using an ineffective, slow-operating, “military-grade” nerve agent, which could easily be traced back to them- which they smeared on a door handle on a rainy Salisbury Sunday.

All this happened a week or so before a Presidential election, and less than 100 days before they are due to host the World Cup. In other words, the official narrative does not rest on accepting that the Russian state is the paragon of pure evil; it rests on accepting that it is the paragon of madness and bumbling incompetence.

I have watched VP from afar- I have not paid that much attention to him. But what comes over to me from interviews and despite any misgivings I have about him, one thing is for certain. He ain't inept or dumb. I never get the feeling that he has sudden insane impulses to do things which have absolutely no benefit to Russia, but which hands to their enemies a massive PR victory.

It's only by focusing on the the technical aspect of the case and asking awkward questions, can you get closer to what actually happened. As I keep pointing out, the MSM do not ask them any more and that for me, is far more important question. Why not?

The UK government have in my eyes, acted not only recklessly, but with a complete disregard for the “values” which once defined us- the adherence to the rule of law, presumption of innocence, regard to due process etc. But it all falls on deaf ears. It’s as if many have simply lost the ability to think rationally, logically, and to rely on facts, but now rely only on emotion and dodgy videos to illegally bomb other countries, for example.

If the Russians really wanted the Skripal's dead, they would be.

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At least the assassin has been identified: his name is Gordon! If you know a Russian called Gordon, do not approach him as he could be poisonous, just dial 999 and the police will give you a Crime Number and call round in a few weeks time (if ever) to check it out.

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EXACTLY and after he made such a balls up of the attempted assassination it's no coincidence this is now number 1 in the Russian charts.......

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Steve,

I do not know who poisoned the Skripal's or for what reason.

It is possible of course that the Russian government was behind it. However, this would mean accepting the highly unlikely theory that they decided to target a washed up former MI6 spy, who they released from prison eight years ago, using possibly the craziest assassination method in the history of the world i.e. using an ineffective, slow-operating, “military-grade” nerve agent, which could easily be traced back to them- which they smeared on a door handle on a rainy Salisbury Sunday.

All this happened a week or so before a Presidential election, and less than 100 days before they are due to host the World Cup. In other words, the official narrative does not rest on accepting that the Russian state is the paragon of pure evil; it rests on accepting that it is the paragon of madness and bumbling incompetence.

I have watched VP from afar- I have not paid that much attention to him. But what comes over to me from interviews and despite any misgivings I have about him, one thing is for certain. He ain't inept or dumb. I never get the feeling that he has sudden insane impulses to do things which have absolutely no benefit to Russia, but which hands to their enemies a massive PR victory.

It's only by focusing on the the technical aspect of the case and asking awkward questions, can you get closer to what actually happened. As I keep pointing out, the MSM do not ask them any more and that for me, is far more important question. Why not?

The UK government have in my eyes, acted not only recklessly, but with a complete disregard for the “values” which once defined us- the adherence to the rule of law, presumption of innocence, regard to due process etc. But it all falls on deaf ears. It’s as if many have simply lost the ability to think rationally, logically, and to rely on facts, but now rely only on emotion and dodgy videos to illegally bomb other countries, for example.

If the Russians really wanted the Skripal's dead, they would be.

Some people want and need a "Bond" villian to blame stuff on, our press are glad to provide them, it sells papers, and our politicians will ride any banwagon that gives them, and their aims, publicity.
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Re: Spying is a very dangerous game.

Well I have yet to see the benefit(s) of the British government staging this affair. Russia was well & truly in the sin bin prior to this attack so where was the gain for the government, more sanctions? They could've be enforced over various other matters.
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