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Old 9th August 2018, 18:34   #861 (permalink)
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…So by all means trust your Government on what you are being told if that is what you want to do and trust your Security Services on what your Government says that they are being told by them, but just remember that your Security Services are gagged by the Official Secrets Act and are not able to correct any version of events or defend themselves. Speaking for myself I will continue to be sceptical.
If the British Security Services are unable to correct any version of the facts then surely these facts should be accepted - the FSB is under no such restriction.

Cynicism is all very well but are you equally sceptical when Lavrov says they didn’t shoot down MH17, that there is no Russian military in Ukraine, that the Crimean referendum was legal etc?

As a member that says “God bless Russia” I rather doubt it.
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Old 9th August 2018, 18:40   #862 (permalink)
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If the British Security Services are unable to correct any version of the facts then surely these facts should be accepted - the FSB is under no such restriction.

Cynicism is all very well but are you equally sceptical when Lavrov says they didn’t shoot down MH17, that there is no Russian military in Ukraine, that the Crimean referendum was legal etc?

As a member that says “God bless Russia” I rather doubt it.
Yes Jaycey, I am sceptical in equal measure. I don't trust what any Government tells me where espionage is concerned and that includes the British Government.
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Yes Jaycey, I am sceptical in equal measure. I don't trust what any Government tells me where espionage is concerned and that includes the British Government.
Subterfuge in espionage is an integral part of the game but my questions re MH17, Russian military in Donbas & the Crimean ‘referendum’ don’t concern espionage.

Russia’s lies have been well proven and are on-going - therein lies my own cynicism.
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Subterfuge in espionage is an integral part of the game but my questions re MH17, Russian military in Donbas & the Crimean ‘referendum’ don’t concern espionage.

Russia’s lies have been well proven and are on-going - therein lies my own cynicism.
I can't comment on the downing of MH17 or on the Crimean referendum as I was not there at the material time. However I am sceptical about what I am being told.
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Re: Spying is a very dangerous game.

Have to smile when it comes up how squeaky clean security services & their info is...........if they were that squeaky clean they'd never catch anyone. They're as close to being bandits without being classed as bandits. Just depends which security services we look at.
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It's gone dark so, i'm wondering, did the extradition application happen or was the report speculative [ made up] ?
I may well have missed it.
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It's gone dark so, i'm wondering, did the extradition application happen or was the report speculative [ made up] ?
I may well have missed it.
Its in the post.............
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