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Old 5th May 2018, 22:10   #1 (permalink)
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Éire Medieval Abortion Law

I hope this medieval abortion amendment is repealed stopping the need for 168,705 Irish women who have had to go abroad to take ownership of there own body and not the State ... The referendum will be held on May 25 to repeal this archaic law, hard to believe this still goes on in a modern democratic European country.

I was reading some of the literature from London Irish supporters in Camden who want to promote the repealing of this archaic law to the Irish community here and was given a copy of a Guardian article about the story of Savita Halappanavar in 2012 who was neither Irish nor a Catholic but was held to book by this Irish law and can see how it might shock people in to supporting a repeal .

Link below by an ashamed Emer O'Toole .


Savita Halappanavar died in the hospital after being denied a potentially life-saving abortion. She presented with back pain, and was found to be miscarrying. A day of agony later, knowing her pregnancy couldn't survive, she asked for a termination but was refused. "This is a Catholic country," she was allegedly told.

As long as the fetal heart kept beating doctors would not grant her wish. It beat for three days. Halappanavar vomited, shook and collapsed. On the third day, the weak sound faded to nothing and doctors removed the dead fetus. A week after she was first admitted to hospital, Halappanavar died of septicemia.

This is a Catholic country. If these were indeed the words used by the doctors, then the hospital did not feel the need to sugarcoat its rationale with references to Halappanavar's psychological health, or the well-being of her fetus.

Its ideology was not veiled – as Youth Defence, Precious Life and Ireland's other powerful anti-abortion lobbyists have learned to do – in the language of care and concern for women. The rationale was not cloaked in academic arguments about the moment when human life begins.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ion-law-savita
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Re: Éire Medieval Abortion Law

Incredibly the Catholic church are having "vote no "speakers at morning mass. Many women have walked out of church, because of it . Abortion has been illegal in Ireland since 1983. A law passed by a Government made up of mainly men. Even if the referendum results in a yes vote, they are only talking about allowing abortion up to 12 weeks. This will still leave many women to make the journey across the water for medical care. Or purchase pills from the internet and proceed without medical care.
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Re: Éire Medieval Abortion Law

They should repeal the 8th Amendment the church and politicians of the State shouldn't have the right to deny women ... it like something out of this dystopian fiction. No wonder it's being used to mock what is a medieval law.




IN A BID to gain the briefest of respite from the realities of being a woman in Ireland in the 21st century, Irish women have taken to searching out light entertainment, escapist in nature, in the form of the dystopian dread-fest TV show, The Handmaid’s Tale.

Women Of Ireland To Watch Handmaid?s Tale To Escape Grim Reality? Waterford Whispers News




Difficult to believe politicians women included and from the party founded the great Republican of Éamon de Valera think the state not women should have control of a woman's body. How does this law support women as seen in a placard held by the woman politician?



Majority of Fianna Fail TDs gather to call on voters to say 'No' to repeal of 8th

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breaki...th-840832.html
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Re: Éire Medieval Abortion Law

Fascinating and highly emotive debate which is actually going on right across the island .

My own opinion is firmly in favour of full choice though because it's a conscience issue it has thrown up some pretty unusual bedfellows.

Not as simple as the left versus right but quite a substantial amount of urban versus rural opinion.

Hopefully as a forward looking nation the correct outcome will be reached.

Ireland led the world 're the SSM debate being the1st nation on earth to legalise gay marriage and the movement towards inclusive progressive society will hopefully continue.
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The people against the repeal campaign sounds like the worse of the backward thinking pro-life right-wing Republicans in America

The Speaker on the “March for Choice” said of Ireland "Turning up late to the fight on contraception, divorce, and gay marriage was bad enough, but she still hasn’t dealt with abortion in 2018


You would have thought that being taken to the UN in 2017 and having to pay compensation for violating their citizen's human rights would embarrass these Irish politicians into repealing this medieval law

Irish abortion law violated woman’s human rights, UN says


Siobhan Whelan forced to travel to UK for abortion after fatal foetal abnormality diagnosis

A United Nations committee has found Ireland violated the human rights of a woman who had to travel to Britain for an abortion after her baby was diagnosed with a fatal foetal abnormality.

The UN human rights committee has told the State to pay compensation to the woman, Siobhán Whelan, and to provide psychological treatment to her.

It also says Ireland needs to prevent similar violations of the rights of women by changing its laws on abortion.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/heal...says-1.3118145
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Re: Éire Medieval Abortion Law

Yup

There will always be throwback types against rights for others be those others pro choice, gay, other religions minorities etc.

Dangerous to let such narrow minds take the levers of power. We had to endure it for 60 years and now unfortunately the British Govt are propped up by such types

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Re: Éire Medieval Abortion Law

This law has no place in a forward looking nation like Ireland is. I don't see the problem with repealing it either. Should a woman decide that she doesn't wish to have an abortion then she is free to exercise her choice. So let us cast aside this remaining vestige of Church control over people's lives. As a bonus it will given the dinosaurs a further problem.
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This law has no place in a forward looking nation like Ireland is. I don't see the problem with repealing it either. Should a woman decide that she doesn't wish to have an abortion then she is free to exercise her choice. So let us cast aside this remaining vestige of Church control over people's lives. As a bonus it will given the dinosaurs a further problem.
Good post Michael

Ireland led the world re gay rights and are hopefully doing so again on this issue.

Religion and the state should be entirely separate -an issue for our neighbours too
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Re: Éire Medieval Abortion Law

It doesn't seem to have occured to any of the MEN either posting on here or living in Eire that they also have a responsibilty. why is it always left to the woman?

The church, (mostly male) seems to think it has a right to control women's minds and bodies. They must have forgotten that at least 50% of their intelligence nd genes come from their mother.
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It doesn't seem to have occured to any of the MEN either posting on here or living in Eire that they also have a responsibilty. why is it always left to the woman?

The church, (mostly male) seems to think it has a right to control women's minds and bodies. They must have forgotten that at least 50% of their intelligence nd genes come from their mother.
As i stated, i think it should be the woman's choice - it's her body. This was a law passed by a mainly male Parliament with the backing of the Catholic church. Very ironic, when you consider that Irish priest's are all men who can't marry and would have very little knowledge of dealing with unwanted or dangerous pregnancies.
Apart from support , what role do you think men should have?
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