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Old 3rd November 2018, 07:59   #1 (permalink)
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It seems to me that whatever a government does is criticised, and the same criticism is aimed if they don't do it.
When I heard last there was a desperate shortage of housing in the UK....


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8614281.html

Personally I do not take part in political discussions, but I am concerned about the status of the homeless.
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Old 3rd November 2018, 08:22   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Can't do right for doing wrong

The press see it as there job to be negative about all things, they discovered it sells papers.
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Old 3rd November 2018, 09:09   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Can't do right for doing wrong

For those not experiencing the UK recently , homelessness is rampant , even in leafy Surrey there are impoverished folk always visible .

We have former factories and offices on industrial estates split up into one room dwellings for families with dozens sharing toilets , kitchens and showers , we have elderly and disabled living in tents and in parks and graveyards .

It is more than newsworthy imho .

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Re: Can't do right for doing wrong

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It seems to me that whatever a government does is criticised, and the same criticism is aimed if they don't do it.
When I heard last there was a desperate shortage of housing in the UK....


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8614281.html

Personally I do not take part in political discussions, but I am concerned about the status of the homeless.
The problem with this conning Conservative lot is that they repeatedly try to 'spin' good news just as they are making you pay for it....

Having spend my entire career within Govt I fear that I can say with some considerable experience that a very regular feature is to be seen to do the right, righteous and most publicly welcomed things - whilst actually getting the dosh from the same place they are adding funding... Similar classic nonsense can be seen in Police Funding, the school building arrangements, Adoption reform and even the 'modernisation' of the Fire Service. Perhaps the worse is the review of the public service pensions (which I might add are SELF-funded - not by Gov't) and the review of the old age pension which whilst proporting to be fairer actually used the worst possible common denominator - disenfranchising a generation of women in the UK.
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Re: Can't do right for doing wrong

Why does it matter if fewer units are built by housing association? As long as someone is building adequate and affordable housing who gives a monkey's who builds them?
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Re: Can't do right for doing wrong

Homelessness is not a problem with lack of available housing

Its predominantly a mental health issue combined with a benefit system that doesn't cater to people with mental health issues or people with associative disabilities

Thanks to the amazing benefits system we have in the UK there is zero need for any one to be homeless. The mental health issues range from mild, IE people who simply cant motivate them selves or organise anything, right up to full blown should be sectioned cases

To get the most out of the welfare state you need to be on the ball


The second issue is the persecution of landlords for the sake of a cash grab on tax.

Everybody loves to hate a land lord, lawyer, estate aent, tax man etc etc. so an easy and some would argue, popular target for a tax grab.

A mortguaged property for rental is currently beig taxed at around 60%

In the past couple of years the govt had grabbed an additional 52, billion pounds from landlords.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/property...l-profits.html


Tis needs to be seen in combination with the fact benefits are paid to the tenant not to the land lord. This is to "make them financially responsible" it ignores the fact that many on benefits are not capable of being financially responsible. Thats why they are on benefits. So the council pay benefits to the tenant, the tenant buys a big TV the landlord doesn't get paid. You apply to the council for direct payment after two months, it takes another two or three months to sort this out you end up several months in arrears ten your looking at 2000 for eviction costs.

Then theres the fairly extensive conditions of rental which put rental properties way ahead of private residence. Do you have your boiler gas safety checked every year? Do you get your property electrically tested every five years. If your boiler fails can you guarantee getting a plumber out within 24 hours?

Now theres enforced rules on EPC ratings for rented property's? Why not ALL

Since April 2018 you must have an EPC rating above E to rent a property. Plan is to increase this to C within the next 5-10 years?

My own house doesn't meet C standard? Its massively expensive (like 10s of thousands) to get Edwardian, Victorian and 1930s houses up to C standards.

For a house to be C by design it would have to have been built post 1983


End result is Landlords are often refusing to rent to welfare tenants and the market for people entering the buy to let market for the first time is drying up due to lack of profit against hassle factor.

Those like me who are in the game professionally rather than as a pension top up, solve the problem by increasing rents, which puts the properties above the caps set by the welfare state (which are stupidly low already)


That frankly is a time bomb


In order to fix the homeless problem you first need to adress the problem of mental health and then don't build 1000s of new totally misnamed "affordable housing" homes at 150,000 - 250,000 a pop. instead actively support the rental market and make it safe and profitable for landlords to take on welfare tenants.

According to "Homeless Link" there were 4751 people sleeping rough in the UK in 2017


https://www.homeless.org.uk/facts/ho...g-our-analysis


Zoopla currently have 242,600 properties available for rental.

If we build houses and increase that to 300,000? How does this help?

The next thing is to build staging areas where the homeless can stay whilst waiting to be processed.

A few years ago Caterham barracks which could have held the entire countries homeless population in purpose built barrack blocks, was sold to developers and turned into a housing estate. Despite it have to do the compulsory amount of "Affordable Housing units" I can assure you they are still not occupied by ANY previous homeless or people who were earning minimum wage.


In short don't believe the hype and spin the govt use for failing to deel with this issue


The cost of temporary housing, mental health treatment, scraping the cash grab on land lords, supporting landlords with grants for improving hosing standards, properly paying rent for people incapable of managing their own lives and indemnifying landlords against loss or damage to properties for people who rent with no deposit and no financial position worth pursuing in court is prohibitive.

So they deflect with the bulls##t about affordable housing being the answer.


If you think this is all crap I invite you to attend the next Land Lords Forum at Thanet Council and hear it direct from the Councils own direct housing officers

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Re: Can't do right for doing wrong

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For those not experiencing the UK recently , homelessness is rampant , even in leafy Surrey there are impoverished folk always visible .

We have former factories and offices on industrial estates split up into one room dwellings for families with dozens sharing toilets , kitchens and showers , we have elderly and disabled living in tents and in parks and graveyards .

It is more than newsworthy imho .

Steve
Really ??? That's awful. Having left the UK 8 years ago, and only pop back for a few days a year, I have certainly lost touch, I didn't realise how bad things had got, and judging by the sound of things, it's not going to get better anytime soon. xx
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsm...n=true#image=1


be a good buy to house homeless ,and crazy cheap price.
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Care in the Community said Maggie as they emptied the Institutions, didnt really happen and Blair didnt give a monkees either.
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Re: Can't do right for doing wrong

there are plenty of unused and derelict offices etc where i live and the surrounding towns ,surely the government could start with those kind of things without even having to build new,and then re-look at what else is needed .
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