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Old 10th February 2019, 17:10   #11 (permalink)
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Scotland's a prime example what happens when you follow new Labour policies, forgetting your base and becoming complacent in your Socialist principles ....

A wipe out to some Nationalists, practising some pseudo Socialism, and in doing so looking more Socialist than you..............be warned we won't go down this toad again ....
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Scotland's a prime example what happens when you follow new Labour policies, forgetting your base and becoming complacent in your Socialist principles ....

A wipe out to some Nationalists, practising some pseudo Socialism, and in doing so looking more Socialist than you..............be warned we won't go down this toad again ....
Is that new Labour policies a la Blair new Labour ?
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Is that new Labour policies a la Blair new Labour ?
Was Mollag .... Only if it's allowed to be re-introduced by some disaffected
career labour party MP's and some anti Corbynist's being helped by the veteran Blair PR machine.
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Never accepted Labours approach to Scotland

Over the years they have supported independence for many nations but not when it would affect their Mp numbers at Westminster

Currently a lean time for them with only about half a dozen MPs north of the border but over the decades they usually had around 40 there
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If TM has any thoughts of a snap GE (again), now's the time to do it IMO........could be a turf out of individuals from both Parties. I could easily name a dozen MPs walking the high wire awaiting a mighty fall.
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Both main parties are definitely in danger of imploding
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The loss in Scotland wasn't because of Labour's policy on independence as seen in the referendum its the will of the people to be part of the UK.

The rise of Nationalism was the Nationalists took up a pseudo Socialist mantle .. When the true Socialism in the Labour Party was watered down ... They became wrongly complacent in expectation of a continuing Labour vote, even though there had been a drift to the centre right, with as said a watering down of Socialist policy... which near wiped out the Labour party in Scotland IMHO .

Only now and a return to Socialism and a shake up of complacency in Scotland is the Labour party reviving somewhat.....

IMHO if we are talking pure Socialism to be a Nationalist and a Socialist is a contradiction, as the working class have no nationality they are all unified by their class,not by their nationality.

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The loss in Scotland wasn't because of Labour's policy on independence as seen in the referendum its the will of the people to be part of the UK.

The rise of Nationalism was the Nationalists took up a pseudo Socialist mantle .. When the true Socialism in the Labour Party was watered down ... They became wrongly complacent in expectation of a continuing Labour vote, even though there had been a drift to the centre right, with as said a watering down of Socialist policy... which near wiped out the Labour party in Scotland IMHO .

Only now and a return to Socialism and a shake up of complacency in Scotland is the Labour party reviving somewhat.....

IMHO if we are talking pure Socialism to be a Nationalist and a Socialist is a contradiction, as the working class have no nationality they are all unified by their class,not by their nationality.
Well said
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Both main parties are definitely in danger of imploding
Space for Nigel do you reckon ?
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Re: New Centre Party

The people of Scotland deserve better than to be after thoughts to the Westminster elite
Both main parties treat them with contempt

A classic example was with the Indy Ref

Mayhem Boris et al told the Scots that they must vote no as they would not be in the Eu membership of which they stated was essential for Scotland

Now the same lying scum tell them its vital to be out of EU- against the Scots wishes

Theres nothing at Westminster for the people of Edinburgh or Belfast
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