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Old 11th February 2019, 07:26   #41 (permalink)
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Prospect of a new UK party grows as Brexit shifts ground at Westminster.

Firstly, a number of Jewish MPs seriously considered resigning the whip over the party’s handling of antisemitism before the summer, and the resurgence of the issue has made that threat salient once more.

“There are MPs who are being pushed to the absolute limit,” said one. Several suggested that had the party followed through with the idea of disciplining the MP Margaret Hodge, who had faced a formal inquiry for calling Corbyn an antisemite, that would have been the breaking point. The party later dropped action against Hodge.

Secondly, but separately, a group of centrist MPs, including Umunna and fellow Labour MP Chris Leslie, are widely believed to be laying the groundwork for the creation of a new party although both have denied this.

Thirdly, Simon Franks, the millionaire co-founder of the film rental business LoveFilm, is preparing to launch a centrist, anti-politics party, United for Change, perhaps as soon as next month.

“Franks wants to be the new Emmanuel Macron,” said one person with knowledge of the project, believed to have a 50m budget. United for Change is not believed to have any big name politicians on board yet.

McCluskey’s attack on those mulling the possibility of a new party was echoed on social media by other vocal supporters of the Labour leadership, known as “blue tick Corbynistas” by those on the right of the party, and by the shadow chancellor, John McDonnell.

Despite the anxieties of the leadership, next spring, after the end of March date set for Brexit, is deemed by centrist MPs to be the most auspicious moment for launching a new party.

“There’s a very strong feeling that it must not be a distraction from our goal to stop Brexit, just at the moment” when stopping the UK leaving the EU may be possible, said one MP.

One former remain campaign source said: “The intention is real and serious but it is unlikely before Brexit. The argument will be that the country needs a new political force to bring it together post-Brexit.

“But I would guess the real incentive for any MP to jump … will be a threat of deselection. And that is why a lot of people are watching carefully to see if anything comes of the local attempts to deselect Kate Hoey or Frank Field.”

Leslie, the MP for Nottingham East, is widely viewed as being at risk of deselection. He used a brief stint as shadow chancellor in 2015 to argue that Labour had lost the general election partly because its economic policies were too leftwing, and has since been a trenchant critic of Corbyn’s leadership.

In June, he published a wide-ranging policy paper, called Centre Ground, under the auspices of the Social Market Foundation thinktank. Many saw the document as laying the intellectual groundwork for a future new party.

Chapter headings included, “evidence not ideology”; and “representative democracy not populism”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-cracks-brexit
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How many years for a new Party to be of any substance, 10, 20, 30 years? Their first policy could blow them out of the water, plus who actually makes the Party up.
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The trades Unions created the Labour Party from scratch, the Communist Party was self starting with little success, UKIP ditto, slightly more successful was the raving loony party, Greens, from scratch but limited success, Sinn Fein, Scot and Welsh Nats all locally successful and of course the Gang of four SDP died the death, more successful has been the DUP, holding Westminster to ransom for many years.
I dont really see the space for a breakaway, Blair type Labour are more Tory than Socialist, they would be comfortable in the Conservative party more so than a proper Socialist party. IMHO
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The fight for Labour’s soul – what the party’s brutal 1981 split means today
Labour is in crisis. The bitter divide across the party echoes the acrimony that drove the ‘gang of four’ to form the breakaway SDP. Will history repeat itself?

“The moderates now are pretty close to feeling the despair we did,” says one of the first Labour defectors to the SDP in 1981, who is still active in Westminster and asks not to be named.

Rodgers continues: “Even a week ago, I would have said that somehow the Labour party will scrabble along [intact]. I think now it is a possibility there will be a split.” Williams, revealingly, calls such a scenario “a crack-up”. The 1981 defector says: “I have a feeling these [anti-Corbyn] guys will declare themselves to be a parliamentary party. If they’re really disciplined, they will have more MPs than Corbyn, and become the opposition to the government.”

Last weekend, the Mail on Sunday reported that “more than 150 Labour MPs are plotting to form a breakaway party codenamed Continuity Labour”, if Corbyn wins the September leadership ballot.

Alternatively, the British electoral system, which is almost uniquely biased against all but the biggest parties – as Ukip learned to its cost when 3.9m votes at last year’s election earned it a single Commons seat – may crush both Labour offshoots. “The ultimate nightmare,” Winnick says, “is that neither survives electorally.

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Labour party edges towards split as up to 100 moderate MPs including Luciana Berger, Ed Miliband, Harriet Harman and Yvette Cooper face being deselected before the next election.

Plans for a breakaway group after fears of a wave of challenges to sitting MPs. Party grandees including Ed Miliband will all face attempts to oust them. It is anticipated around a quarter of 100 MPs to be subject to a contest will lose.

Those seen as most at risk include Luciana Berger, Chris Leslie, Gavin Shuker and Angela Smith, who are all thought to be considering quitting the party as part of an imminent split.

Others believed to have little chance of surviving deselection challenges include former party leadership candidates Mary Creagh and Angela Eagle, Commons Brexit committee chairman Hilary Benn, leading Brexiteer Kate Hoey, and former international development secretary Kate Osamor.

John McDonnell yesterday warned Labour MPs thinking of leaving that they could keep it out of a power for a decade if they take away votes in marginal seats.

The shadow chancellor told the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show: ‘It would be like the 1980s. My constituency in Hayes and Harlington, we had a Labour MP join the SDP and we lost the seat to the Conservatives. And it basically installed Mrs Thatcher in power for that decade.’

Many of those facing the prospect of deselection have warned they will stand as independents if they are removed as Labour candidates.

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Labour could split within hours today as rebel MPs promised a statement on the 'future of British politics'.

Rumours of an historic split in Jeremy Corbyn's party exploded overnight and an event in central London was confirmed this morning.

MPs thought to be behind the move include Chuka Umunna, Chris Leslie, Ian Austin and Angela Smith.

Other MPs whose names have been linked to the move include Owen Smith, Luciana Berger and Mike Gapes.

Mr Corbyn refused to comment as he left home this morning.

There have been reports for months a group of MPs was considering whether to sit as independents or even set up an entirely new centrist party with the hope of attracting liberal Tory MPs and Liberal Democrat politicians.

The meeting is scheduled for 10.00 am.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live
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Seven MPs have entered the room. Luciana Berger is speaking. She says they have all resigned from the Labour party this morning and will now sit in parliament as an independent group of MPs.

She says she has become embarrassed and ashamed to be in the Labour party.

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I take it these " principled" MPs will be immediately resigning from their cushy jobs to face election as they were elected as Labour and as such do not now have a mandate in their constituencies
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