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Old 11th February 2019, 14:17   #11 (permalink)
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May stated it was a deal , the only deal , she agreed it in writing and ratified it

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8678561.html

Theresa May has said her Brexit deal is “the only deal available” and that the controversial Northern Ireland backstop is “necessary” after being rebuffed in a meeting with Angela Merkel and other EU leaders on Tuesday.

There was no option for any other deal she stated repeatedly .

Then she failed .

We agreed , we failed our word and the world laughed at our stupidity .

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May never had the power to ratify it, it had to be ratified in Westminster, ask Gina Miller. If May had ratified it, why is it still being debated?
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Old 11th February 2019, 15:05   #12 (permalink)
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Ok spurs she never agreed it , never said it repeatedly , Hansard , the bbc , and rest of the media lied , and she never bothered to correct them .

If parliament does nothing it stands in law and we leave under those terms on march 29 and start the soon to be agreed interim

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The EU has agreed to Theresa May’s Brexit deal. At a special meeting of the European Council in Brussels, the leaders of the 27 countries remaining in the bloc endorsed both the Withdrawal Agreement, which sets out the terms under which the U.K. will leave the EU in March 2019, and the Political Declaration, which establishes the framework for negotiation of a future trade deal. “Ahead of us is the difficult process of ratification as well as further negotiations,” said European Council leader Donald Tusk. “But regardless of how it will all end, one thing is certain: we will remain friends until the end of days, and one day longer.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/frances.../#1a48b12d5855

But I have to ask, whom was it that reneged? If Mays hands had not been tied the agreement would have gone ahead. The other bloc countries will have been well aware that May would have to go back and sell it and get it past Westminster, so I do not think there was any loss of trust.
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She did not have to agree ?

She optimistically thought she could carry parliament , like the GE , wrong .

Simples

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Does that mean that if she had not had to it put before Parliament then that deal would have been the actual exit deal on the 29th March, and the other EU members would not have been able to veto, alter, or in anyway interfere with the deal as it was written at that date?
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What a strange intrpretation of "Deal" we put forward, many here think it is fine to agree to a EU payment scheme then renege when we take the hump, had the Chinese meal, scoffed it all, shan't pay now cos im angry at having to pay.
Not folk to go into a business deal with I should say, once bitten.
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Precisely why the backstop is required ...Welchers!
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I don’t think it was ever “Mays deal”, I think it was Mays & the EUs deal. After all, seems it was only the EU who were happy with it when floated. It was the Commision that was recommending it to the other 27.

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With less than seven weeks until Britain is scheduled to leave the European Union and no clear way to break the impasse in sight, a no-deal Brexit is looking increasingly likely. Unless Theresa May can find a way to reconcile the warring wings of the Tory party and negotiate concessions on the Irish border backstop, the UK leave will the bloc at 11pm on March 29 and immediately drop back on to WTO rules. This would mean automatic tariffs applied to goods traveling between Britain and the EU, but Brexiteers including Nigel Farage, Jacob Rees-Mogg and Owen Paterson have said ‘Article 24’ could be used to secure tariff-free trade with the EU for up to a decade.

What is Article 24?
Article 24, formally Article XXIV of the WTO’s General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT), sets out the rules under which countries can make free trade deals.

Within the rules is a clause which states that nations can request an interim free trade agreement while they thrash out the details of the finished deal.

These interim agreements can be used if both countries agree to the terms and provide a clear timetable for the completed trade deal as well as details of what the finished terms will look like.

Providing other WTO members do not object or insist on changes, the two signatories could enjoy free trade in goods while the agreement is formally drawn up.

Could Article 24 be used for Brexit?
Trade law experts have said a temporary free trade deal is possible while the UK negotiates a future arrangement with the EU.

But they have warned that Article 24 is not relevant for an interim arrangement in a no-deal Brexit because it would still require Brussels to agree.

Dr Lorand Bartels of Cambridge University tweeted in May last year: “It’s amazing how this awful misinterpretation of Art XXIV GATT won’t die, no matter how many times I point this out.”

Australian trade negotiator Dmitry Grozoubinsky said applying it to a no-deal Brexit is “utter nonsense”.

And Ilze Jozepa, a Senior Library Clerk at the House of Commons Library, warned the rules only apply to free trade in goods - not services.

She wrote: “Article XXIV is key to any preferential trade relationship between the UK and the EU.

“However, it is unlikely that the option of an ‘interim agreement’ will be of immediate use.

“Article XXIV is much more likely to be used for a full free trade agreement.”

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...gatt-wto-rules
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I don’t think it was ever “Mays deal”, I think it was Mays & the EUs deal. After all, seems it was only the EU who were happy with it when floated. It was the Commision that was recommending it to the other 27.
It was her deal , repeatedly the only deal possible , her triumph...... Kid yourself mate , no one else .

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