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Old 13th February 2019, 08:53   #31 (permalink)
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It was where it was going and where we were being led that led many to vote for Brexit. I for one doubt we would have had another opportunity to say enough is enough before it was too late to even matter. It may well prove to have been the wrong decision but I am happy to take that chance and hope that the false prophets are indeed false. Yes there are many Remainers that are worried but then many are worried because they don't like change. I do know that anything that happens is put down to Brexit when it would have happened anyway. Sunderland is a case in point as has been said, it appears Nissan would have made that decision regardless because of a changing market. Look at the disaster it would probably have been if we had joined the Euro. This Euro army that kept popping up, does anyone for one moment think that would ever mobilize for UK interests, especially the Falklands. NATO may not be perfect by any means but it serves a purpose and we are a member. There was and still is reasons for joining but I for one am glad we did not do so. So I repeat, it was where it was going and where we were being led that concerned me and many others.
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No one can deny the falsehoods , leave were not stupid and they would not have spent a fortune on misleading propaganda ... for me these are the main reasons many voted to leave.....

Final Say: The misinformation that was told about Brexit during and after the referendum... Courtesy of the Independent..... [email protected] 2019 Independent

'The money saved from leaving the EU will result in the NHS getting 350m a week'

'A free-trade deal with the EU will be 'the easiest thing in human history'

‘Two thirds of British jobs in manufacturing are dependent on demand from Europe’

'Turkey is going to join the EU and millions of people will flock to the UK'

'Brexit will lead to Scotland renewing calls for independence'

'Brexit does not mean the UK will leave the single market '


It is tragic that to many leave voters nothing as of yet is attritutable to the vote to leave , regardless of the business community raising warnings , imho , far too late .

Even the tanking of the pound is mindlessly played out as a benefit , one wonders why exports are tanking if the pound is so cheap .

The questions remain , what and to whom , what can we sell and to whom , that we cannot now , but magically will once we leave the EU ?

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You say that as though the Remainers were all so honest. There was a lot more spent on getting the remain vote than the Brexit one, the side of the bus and Boris rubbish had already been discredited if I remember rightly. No leave were not stupid, and they voted to leave for many reasons, mainly because they felt disgruntled.

There were too many reasons to feel disgruntled with Europe and that was why UKIP were getting a bigger voice. Cameron going into the election had worries of loosing out some votes to those that were unhappy with the Europe situation which is why the vote was promised.

The lies and so on are rolled out as though people blindly read those lies and believed them, as if the remain were staying silent and not rebuffing what was being said. It is one of the reasons why the Remainers are called Renoaners. Both sides gave a viewpoint and Brexit won, and they did not win because of what was on the side of a bus.
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Really Norm , your beliefs are i am sure genuinely held , i do believe the NHS 350 mil was a big player as was the direct lie re Turkey and it's millions of immigrant workers , complete direct lies .

End of for me , meantime the pound did tank and remain predictions still have time to occur , once we eventually leave , if it ever happens ?

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Project fear has been proven to be a lie. Plenty spent by the government on promoting such lies. Cairney has still to get any of his views on brexit to be correct.
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They are my beliefs, which of us is correct I do not know Steve, we can only presume the reasons why people voted the way they did. On this point I think it is a case of agreeing to disagree.

What did happen was the votes were counted and as no one is suggesting foul play took place a democratic result was achieved. Now that result has to happen, if it does not then democracy is undermined.
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They are my beliefs, which of us is correct I do not know Steve, we can only presume the reasons why people voted the way they did. On this point I think it is a case of agreeing to disagree.

What did happen was the votes were counted and as no one is suggesting foul play took place a democratic result was achieved. Now that result has to happen, if it does not then democracy is undermined.
This i can only agree with you Norman , the vote to leave must stand , the details of leaving is what all the brou ha ha is about , my fear only the poor , state pensioners and low income workers will pay the price for this fiscal misadventure .

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Project fear has been proven to be a lie. Plenty spent by the government on promoting such lies. Cairney has still to get any of his views on brexit to be correct.
Please to be kind enough to flesh out the lies as you see them ..

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Mmmm can anyone predict the EUs future, seems everyone can predict the UKs but not the EUs..........must be all rosy across the EU but WHERE?
I still await for someone to point out to me six happy EU member states...........
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Steve we all know about Osborne's lies.
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