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Old 8th March 2019, 18:04   #11 (permalink)
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I am equally interested in how far up the chain of command this went, did it go back to Ted Heath ?
Someone somewhere gave the order, I cant believe the squaddies went into panic mode.

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Thats a massive debate Martin

There are other army killings coming down the line including the Ballymurphy massacre where the troops most certainly did go on a crazed killing spree
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If we dont learn from the past we will never have a different future.

I've noticed an increase in reported violence in NI over the past 2 years, a friend living in Belfast says that it's as much down to gangs fighting drugs turf wars as it is to anything sectarian.

We need the wisdom of Mandela and the common sense of Ashdown rather than clumsy remarks from government ministers.
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Thats a massive debate Martin

There are other army killings coming down the line including the Ballymurphy massacre where the troops most certainly did go on a crazed killing spree
I appreciate that but a debate that needs to be had, why was a 14 year old girl in School uniform shot clean through the head in 1971 ?

I feel sure that the answers are documented never to be seen.

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A priest was shot, other kids, one elderly man already hit 4 times was then shot a further 11........

I dont know how to solve the matter

There are literally 100s of cases by paramilitaries and by the state and sometimes a combination of both

I remember Cameron insinuating he would like to come a lot cleaner about everything but there were " dark forces" with even more pull than a PM
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Whilst some are entirely set against it others suggest an amnesty to draw a line

There are pros and cons with the idea

A problem is an obvious one ie what closure do relatives get

To that end full disclosure was suggested with full immunity from prosecution. The problem with that is who's going to believe either paramilitaries or dirty tricks sec services
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A problem is an obvious one ie what closure do relatives get ?

A good question , one with very few answers but many still asking for a satisfactory response .

I was at the Telegraph building in Canary wharf , half an hour before the bomb exploded , i know i would still be demanding a response had i attended slightly later . I was back there the week after for the BBC , it was a war zone , a war undeclared , indescriminately , on any one , any one and everyone at all , regardless .

Two murdered , 250 injured .

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Shane Paul O Doherty, an ex IRA Member who served 15 years in Prison, has an online Blog that is always worth a read. From Londonderry and joined up, because of Bloody Sunday.

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Imho part of the reason why this is so hard to sort is its not a problem thats finished

WW2 for example saw Nuremberg at the end putting the losing bad guys on trial etc as the conflict had ended ( not all the bad guys just those on the losing side but i digress)

Our own conflict however ended in a stalemate with a fudge basically to end the killing but absolutely no finality to the problem

To that extent not only are the sores still open but as theres still no finite resolution no side is going to own up/ fess up etc to who did what etc

Add to that the political quagmire whereby even conciliatory tones will be seen as political weakness and you start to see the utter complexity of the matter

Meanwhile victims relatives have to suffer every day with the injustices served on them by paramilitaries and state- that in itself increases mistrust and division thereby continuing the never ending spiral,
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