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Old 4th July 2019, 16:27   #11 (permalink)
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Any updates on a China Trade Deal post Brexit ?

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To be pedantic there was never an agreement to return HK to China. The Opium War Treaties gave HK to UK 'in perpetuity' and the later treaties gave UK a 99 year lease on the New Territories on mainland China.
Pedantically seems you are correct

Makes one wonder why the Brits didn't press for a lease extension

More grist for the 'UK Principles' thread!
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Would China have granted an extension? These leases were granted after their defeat in wars that UK started. Would UK look good on world stage if it held onto such gains?
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The Turkish President is on a visit to CHINA and quoted in the Chinese press as saying ( below link ) .................... SO another change in direction maybe ? falling out with Trump and now Putin over Idlib Syria

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Turkey's President Erdogan claims Muslim Uighur minority 'live happily' in China, despite abuse reports

https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/ne...ly-in-xinjiang


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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-t...56957D20090710

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Hong Kong showed China is a threat to democracy. Now Europe must defend Taiwan

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“Hong Kong’s administration has backed down over the controversial extradition bill, but the canary in the coalmine of China’s tacit acceptance of democracy is already dead…

For democracy activists in Hong Kong and beyond, there is a shining city on the hill: Taiwan. It is the one clear example of a Chinese liberal democratic project that has thrived in recent years. It should come as no surprise that it has faced intense pressure from Beijing.

In the South China Sea, China is strengthening its military presence. Its violations of Taiwanese air and sea space have escalated to dangerous levels. Beijing’s hostility towards Taipei has intensified since 2016, when Taiwan elected a president who defends Taipei’s sovereignty. It has stepped up its aerial missions violating Taiwanese airspace, sailing warships near or in Taiwanese waters, with the most recent example in June when China’s aircraft carrier passed through the Taiwan Strait. Taipei is also seriously concerned about Chinese interference in Taiwan’s presidential election next January.

To date, Europe has been erratic in its dealings with China. Several states have been eager to jump into bed with Beijing and auction off our democratic values for the promise of a boost in investment. They have turned a blind eye to Beijing’s human rights abuses at home and bellicosity in its neighbourhood. Meanwhile, other states see China’s continued authoritarian drift but shrink in the face of its global bullying.

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Would China have granted an extension? These leases were granted after their defeat in wars that UK started.

Sorry to burst your bubble but a Chinese secret organization (the Society of the Righteous and Harmonious Fists) was the primary cause of the Boxer Revolution and then Lin Zexu attacked British shipping to confiscate opium triggering the Opium Wars.

Would UK look good on world stage if it held onto such gains?

Would UK look better if it abandoned HK residents with British passports?
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The Boxer Rebellion occurred after the Opium wars. It was because of the Treaties that the rebellion started.
Britain deliberately ignored China's prohibition of importing opium thus pushing China to confiscate illegal imports.

I do not think China would have extended the leases as modern China is putting the opium war years behind them.
Always a problem when residents of a former colony with British passports stay in the new independent country and have to accept new legislation.
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…Always a problem when residents of a former colony with British passports stay in the new independent country and have to accept new legislation.
They had little option but to stay. Had GB admitted these people (as South Africa did) these problems might not have arisen.

The rest is history … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Opium_War
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Many Hong Kong residents moved to Uk before it was handed back to China. Surely it was their choice to stay was it not? I had friends at school from Hong Kong so it was possible at some time.
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