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Old 13th September 2019, 00:21   #1 (permalink)
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9/11 Saudi Help

U.S. weighs releasing name sought in Saudi 9/11 suit

The name was redacted from a 2012 FBI document describing assistance given by men in Southern California to two of the hijackers.


WASHINGTON The Justice Department is wrestling with whether to disclose a name sought by the plaintiffs in a long-running lawsuit that seeks to link the government of Saudi Arabia to the 9/11 attacks.

Attorney General William Barr faced a Friday deadline for deciding whether to release the name or to invoke a rarely used state secrets privilege and refuse to divulge the information. But Justice Department officials decided they needed more time, submitting a request to a federal court in New York for an extension until next Thursday. A judge granted the request.


Lawyers for the plaintiffs in the 9/11 case want the government to disclose the name, which was redacted from a 2012 FBI document describing assistance given by men in Southern California to two of the hijackers. The lawyers believe the person may be a Saudi official they suspect tasked two men in California with assisting the hijackers.

The suit, filed in 2003 by injured victims, families of victims and others, alleges Saudi government employees knowingly assisted the hijacking plot.

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I thought it was generally accepted that this was a Saudi operation - men and money, so why the secrecy. I don't remember any direct link to Saudi government policy, but low level princes (there are so many) and businessmen were certainly implicated.

Problem for USA was that it got in the way of their narrative that it was 'Iran wot done it', and Saudi is an essential friend they need to keep sweet in The Gulf. They wanted an excuse to bomb Iran, but were never going to bomb Saudi.

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If Carlsberg did political synopsis , then this one of yours Ian , would be it .

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I still don't see why anyone still needs sad Arabia. Oil can be sourced from so many places now.
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I still don't see why anyone still needs sad Arabia. Oil can be sourced from so many places now.
Maybe, but when it comes to selling weapons to the middle east the Saudis take some beating.
I would love to see a list of western politically affiliated names that also have financial interests in weapons manufacture and sales.

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I thought it was generally accepted that this was a Saudi operation - men and money, so why the secrecy. I don't remember any direct link to Saudi government policy, but low level princes (there are so many) and businessmen were certainly implicated.

Problem for USA was that it got in the way of their narrative that it was 'Iran wot done it', and Saudi is an essential friend they need to keep sweet in The Gulf. They wanted an excuse to bomb Iran, but were never going to bomb Saudi.

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It seems there is a link to the Saudi Government through an alleged Saudi intelligence officer. And the U.S. Intelligence Community believed at the time, this individual linked the Saudi Government to ties with al-Qaeda but the name had be redacted ....


David Johnston, a reporter for the New York Times is on recorded thinking the redacted name could be that of a Mr. Al Bayoumi, who is employed by the Saudi civil aviation authority, what he did in San Diego is a matter of debate. But according to the report, he met two men who later turned out to be hijackers on the Pentagon flight, Khalid Almidhar and Alhazmi and helped them, supported them, provided money to them while they lived in San Diego.
At the same time, Mr. Bayoumi was thought within the… some elements of the Saudi community in that area to be in some sense an operative for the Saudi government but more in a way in keeping tabs on potential Saudi dissidents than in helping with any clandestine plot type of activity.


Mathew Levitt, who was an FBI Middle East counterterrorism analyst at the time of the 9/11 attacks, now a senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy said what's damaging about this report is twofold. First of all, that there are direct Saudi links suggested in these pages to the 9/11 plot with Bayoumi in particular going for meetings with the hijackers, to meetings at the Saudi consulate, at the same time that another Saudi consulate official was meeting with possible terrorist suspects in Los Angeles and therefore was kicked out of the country.
Reported on PBS newshour ...

As we now know the Saudi's Govt are quite partial to involvement in non judicial attacks, like the killing of the Journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

Trump though is on record reiterating his support for Saudi Arabia at a MAGA Rally...... Trump indicated that he would remain a steadfast supporter of the Saudi government, largely due to Riyadh's purchases from US companies.

"They have nothing but cash, right?" he told the crowd. "They buy a lot from us, $450 billion they bought." "this relates to 1 million in jobs"

"You had people wanting to cut off Saudi Arabia ... I don't want to lose them," he said.

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i,m sorry.i might be a bit thick but could anyone tell me what interest did the saudis have in committing this act of terror.
i just don,t see it
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IMHO ...Wahhabism..... Saudi Arabia's dominant faith and ideology, which the House of Saud are supposed to believe in and use to rule the Kingdom ....
They would like to see their influence spread, through this extreme ideology religion which insist's on literal interpretation of the Koran , to replace the more moderate forms and interpretations of Islam around the world.

People like Osama bin Laden, and the Taliban who also believe in this austere ideology , think all those who don't practice this form of Islam are heathens and enemies.

Saudi rogue support or direct action sometimes it's hard at times to see who is controlling who,
within the regime and sometimes,the outcome is not always obvious, or has meaning when it goes off- field and against interests of the supporter, especially when it is found out, eg Khasoggi death.


So whilst the House of Saud will trade and do business with non Wahhabis its not to say they don't disdain them or see then as heathens for their lack of their faith or not bending to Saudi influence or interests......

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i,m sorry.i might be a bit thick but could anyone tell me what interest did the saudis have in committing this act of terror.
i just don,t see it
I doubt the ruling family/ Government would have a hand in it, but the wealthy Elite does, it disdains Western influence on the middle east, from USA domination to Israel occupation.
Al Quida was never a terrorist group or army, less than 50 members, they were a training organisation, to train fellow Muslims to return to their own countries to fight, through terrorism, what, they perceived,as Western / Russian domination. The wealthy Wahabbis and CIA financed the group with oil income. Their targets were Saddam Hussein, Assad, Iran, Egypt, Afghanistan and any Muslim country that didnt fit with the strict Koran based governance they liked.
Why they turned on to the USA will never really be known IMHO.
The training idea was based on the Terrorist training school in the USA, The School of the Americas, it has been said Bin Laden was a graduate of that same school.

Lest we forget, the CIA gave birth to Osama Bin Laden and breastfed his organization during the 1980’s. Former British Foreign Secretary, Robin Cook, told the House of Commons that Al Qaeda was unquestionably a product of Western intelligence agencies. Mr. Cook explained that Al Qaeda, which literally means an abbreviation of “the database” in Arabic, was originally the computer database of the thousands of Islamist extremists, who were trained by the CIA and funded by the Saudis, in order to defeat the Russians in Afghanistan.
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