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Old 2nd November 2019, 20:33   #111 (permalink)
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Re: British Justice Guilty...?

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Perhaps it is irrelevant in the light of the facts I alluded to, in the context of the over-riding issue, of why Assage was allowed to leave Sweden, which was because there was no case to answer to. And perhaps because Aksaya may or may not have made a presumption about passports based on an incorrect interpretation of the outcomes related to these facts (to err is human, etc

At least twice Aksaya could have amended his statement for which neither you nor he have provided any proof.

That,s not erring,
It,s something else!
Correct Sir , however i consider it a self evident fact that a man in any country facing such serious charges in that country , being under investigation , and being a non national , transiting the country with no right to remain , would have had their passport held .

If he retained his passport , then he was always free to leave , as he did.....

But fair enough , why was he allowed then to remain at large , retain his passport and leave the country with the prosecutors assent ?

It is odd, is it not .

I cannot prove my point , however , even here you would have to surrender your passport as a non national .

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Old 2nd November 2019, 20:58   #112 (permalink)
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I confess that I haven’t been following this thread closely but will nevertheless comment… if a whistle needs to be blown it takes a man (or woman) with the guts to blow it and that person deserves our respect.

And, for the very first time, imo Rose hit the nail on the head with her #98.
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Re: British Justice Guilty...?

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't this case moving through the courts?
So why is there accusations of a conspiracy?
Has a decision been passed down?
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Old 3rd November 2019, 00:57   #114 (permalink)
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You, think you have proved something by asking me to produce ,something that anyone in general public has no access to, only the prosecutor his defense or the 5 judges have viewed the evidence in in the case ..Bravo... but proves nothing.. a moot point.

You, yourself have made the claim the ruling to grant the extradition warrant for arrest was in some way corrupt , which means a prosecutor and 4 of the 5 Judges are also corrupt after viewing the evidence and making a ruling .. where is your proof and substance of your own accusation? and what is it based on ? ....
I have not made a claim, I simply asked you to provide information supporting your claim, that Asssange need to return to Sweden to 'face justice.' And the fact that you have not been able to provide information supporting that claim for justice, because that information had been withheld by that legal system deserving your blind faith, simply means that you have been arguing a case for something you can not substantiate. Which is that Assange needed to return to Sweden to face justice otherwise denied... and that certainly is a moot point (?), now quite evident from all that has gone before on this thread, which you carefully ignore in order to make your selectively narrow pernicious point, so that it becomes unduly prominent in the overall context, and so is thus wholly undeserved of further comment. And since this thread is about British Justice, perhaps you would care to continue THAT discussion on a newly opened thread, rather than on this one... perhaps call it...

...'Reasons to Despise Assange and Ignore our Lawful Human Rights'...
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Old 3rd November 2019, 01:06   #115 (permalink)
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Correct me if I am wrong but isn't this case moving through the courts?
So why is there accusations of a conspiracy?
Has a decision been passed down?
'Conspiracy' is a term applied by Camden, I believe, so best let him explain that...

This thread I opened over concerns about the legal process now underway in the extradition court in Britain... and to quote from a previous posting...

'...s not the only disturbing aspect of Judge Arbuthnot’s overseeing of the Assange case. She is married to James Arbuthnot, who sits in the House of Lords, is a British Conservative Party politician, was the minister of state at the Ministry of Defense and for nine years was the chairman of the Defense Select Committee in the House of Commons, a committee that oversees the operation of the Ministry of Defense and the armed forces. Arbuthnot, who was reprimanded while a member of Parliament for diverting public funds to maintain his two homes, is a director at SC Strategy, established by John Scarlett, the former head of the British foreign intelligence service MI6. The politician also is on the advisory board of Thales UK, a huge arms manufacturer whose corrupt business practices, which included massive bribes to heads of state in exchange for arms contracts, were exposed when some of its internal documents were published by WikiLeaks.

The judge “has a strong conflict of interest,” Melzer said from Vienna…

Assange’s lawyers have asked the judge to recuse herself. She has refused.'

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Old 3rd November 2019, 03:27   #116 (permalink)
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I have not made a claim, I simply asked you to provide information supporting your claim, that Asssange need to return to Sweden to 'face justice.'

And the fact that you have not been able to provide information supporting that claim for justice, because that information had been withheld by that legal system deserving your blind faith, simply means that you have been arguing a case for something you can not substantiate.

Which is that Assange needed to return to Sweden to [face justice otherwise denied... and that certainly is a moot point (?),

now quite evident from all that has gone before on this thread, which you carefully ignore in order to make your selectively narrow pernicious point, so that it becomes unduly prominent in the overall context, and so is thus wholly undeserved of further comment.

And since this thread is about British Justice, perhaps you would care to continue THAT discussion on a newly opened thread, rather than on this one... perhaps call it...

...'Reasons to Despise Assange and Ignore our Lawful Human Rights'...

If you are attempting to represent what I said to you ? you could at least get it right ....

Knowing from a past post how pedantic you are over people getting the correct wording.
I am surprised ,as I never said or even used the words you are now wrongly applying to me, that Assange should return to "face justice" .... I consistently posted in reference to Assange not returning denied a trial ( to the women) ... .... there is a difference.

As I never said he was to return to "face justice". I can only answer for what I did say ..in my posts the reasons why I think his actions in not returning denied the woman a trial .... this is based on the fact that Aassange was given permission by the Prosecutor to leave Sweden....but to return to be interviewed by the Prosecutor ( this was confirmed in your own link by mr Mezer ) Assange told friends he wouldn't be going back for the prosecutors interview ( confirming he knew he had to return ) Assange as you know he didn't return and in so doing denied these women a trial, till at least the alleged charges of sexual molestation and coercion ran out due to the statute of limitations . 2020 and the alleged Rape case will disappear neverto be revived...

Due to his refusal to return the Swedes applied through the courts for an extradition arrest warrant and after viewing the evidence it was granted Assange appealed against this extradition and 3 out of the four judges threw out his appeal against the extradition arrest warrant. That is the basis of my argument ........... his non return denied a trial....




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I did not carefully or otherwise ignore ( see post below) to make selective narrow and certainly not pernicious points .... but was answering rebuttals to other posts and opinions given on links.


As said in post #60 the discussion was opened up, on this section of Assange's Swedish problems and not solely the concerns of the thread title.
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Camden Quote post #60 ..... WHEN.... your posts and links included views and opinions on Assange's trials and tribulations in the run up to this case , and among other things included .. as you put it " the Swedish prosecution and bail violation prosecution" with views given on it ,in doing so made it open to discussion and opinion on the thread .

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‘It gets funny, this shallow analysis of the deep state that is currently big news. What was once ridiculed by the CIA and its attendant lackeys in the media as the paranoia of “conspiracy theorists” is now openly admitted in reverent tones of patriotic fervor. But with a twisted twist. The “Deep State” has been redefined as career bureaucrats doing their patriotic duty… ‘

Duty on both sides of the pond… and elsewhere…in the cabinet, in the parliament, in the judiciary…

https://off-guardian.org/2019/11/03/fff/

Just like the gulags…

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I have just seen an anchor on a network television programme in the US say...

“Julian Assange is a cyber terrorist, and I think a Russian puppet...'

Is this a common and widely held perception?
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I have just seen an anchor on a network television programme in the US say...

“Julian Assange is a cyber terrorist, and I think a Russian puppet...'

Is this a common and widely held perception?
I don't think many would expect much from a co host on an American daytime chat show, certainly not in depth journalism .. also her CV in journalism exFox News and co host of Fox & Friends kinda says it all.
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“…what we have seen from the UK government is outright contempt for Mr Assange’s rights and integrity… Despite the medical urgency of my appeal, and the seriousness of the alleged violations, the UK has not undertaken any measures of investigation, prevention and redress required under international law.”
https://www.strategic-culture.org/ne...assanges-life/

The appalling assessment corroborates what Assange’s father told Strategic Culture Foundation in an interview published on September 24. John Shipton warned then that he feared his son was being killed extrajudicially by the British and American authorities.

They’re murdering my son…

https://www.collective-evolution.com...Eqn_-SYFfwfM6M

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The United Nations Human Rights Office of the High Commissioner on Feb. 5, 2016 determined that Julian Assange's arbitrary detention "should be brought to an end".
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