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Old 13th January 2020, 11:22   #351 (permalink)
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Iran Admitted to Shooting Down Ukraine's Airliner. Why Hasn't Russia Done the Same With MH17?

"Iran's abrupt U-turn over the downing of Ukrainian flight PS752 inevitably tempts us to draw parallels with the Kremlinís handling of the MH17 shootdown.

...The similarities are indeed striking, at least at first glance. In both incidents, the armed forces of a non-liberal regime are accused of shooting hundreds of innocent civilians from the sky, likely over mistaking a commercial airliner for enemy aircraft. In both cases the regimes were quick to spread alternative fake narratives backed up by no real proof, and in both cases open source investigators were even quicker to debunk them. In both cases expensive, sophisticated Russian anti-aircraft systems had failed to safeguard against erroneously shooting down a plane that even open-source databases ó such as Flightradar24 ó were easily recognizing as commercial flights.

The differences though are not trivial. Tehran, unlike Moscow, switched course within mere days of the incident and expressed unconditional contrition. The Kremlin is in its sixth year of prevarication, fabrication, and, at best, equivocation...

Whatever the outcome, and whatever the motivation, Iran will be remembered internationally as the country that did the adult, honorable thing ó that a country that takes pride in its ancient country must do ó it owned up to its mistake.

Russia chose not to admit. This is likely to save the Russian establishment from paying a political price in the short term. But it is only a deferral of the price, not a permanent solution (remember Lockerbie?)

More crucially, this choice comes at the irreparable cost of Russiaís international reputation. Without owning up to its mistake, it will forever be remembered as the country that just kept lying.


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Trump says it doesn't matter if Soleimani posed an imminent threat..

"President Trump on Monday downplayed the significance of any imminent threat to the U.S. before he ordered the strike that killed Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani, raising new questions about the intelligence preceding the move.

The comments marked the latest revision in whatís become a shifting explanation about the threat Soleimani posed to U.S. personnel in the Middle East. Over the weekend, some of Trumpís top advisers were unable to confirm his claim that Soleimani was planning to target four U.S. embassies.

The episode has prompted renewed scrutiny of the Jan. 3 strike that nearly set off a wider conflict in the Middle East...


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Old 14th January 2020, 16:03   #354 (permalink)
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Did anyone on the thread suggest Iran was ?

As for Saudi and Israel I think you are 'preaching to the choir' you will find on the forum quite a few regularly criticize both Israel and its policy (myself included) as do most on the equally vile Saudi Arabian regime, on relevant threads.

With Northernlights actually being an Iranian, active in Iranian issues, I suppose he has a better handle than most on the forum, on what's happening on the ground in Iran... (though from his own political leaning) ... A view Saoirse himself should agree with, as he is always telling us the same when anyone tries to post on Irish matters ....

Northernlights views on Trump ... open season. To fair criticism .... Though his pro American views.
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There has been nothing but vilification coming in the direction of Iran for the past 20 years.
I’m also old enough to remember The Shah and his SAVAK. Also familiar with the Iranian diaspora in California, some who still hope to put the son on the throne. Certainly, people can hold an opinion, but when it veers into the illogical conspiratorial, should we just nod along?

There is nothing wrong with being anti Trump even anti American, you will find many of us agree with you, and believe this Trump neocon foreign policy is destabilizing and inflaming an already volatile ME. As seen nearly bringing us to the brink of another illegal war and with no "imminent threat" or reason to "stop a war" .

In saying that, we part ways when you turn a blind eye to the Iranian Regime's abuse on its citizens ,seemingly defending the Regime when it is as equally 'crimminaly and vile' as Saudi Arabia and Israel. It seems the Iranian Mullahs get a pass solely on it following your own anti Trump/American view and the other vile regimes don't .....

You mention the Savak. I take it, to hark back to the time of the Shah's abuse and torture of his fellow Iranians ... but fail to mention Savak never went away, on the change of Regime ..... All we saw happen was additions to it and a name change ...... to SAVAMA plus a change in the persuasion religion/politics of those gaoled. The deputy head of ex Savak was promoted by the Current Regime taking over the same Torture agency, till he passed, even the same notorious torture prison is used Evin. The current Regime has enlarged the social control and arrest of its citizens with the addition of the IRG and their dreaded Basiji to suppress any opposition .
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Old 14th January 2020, 18:10   #355 (permalink)
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Re: Quds Force Iranian Commander killed rocket strike

This novel has been out for some time but is no less relevant, and a good read about life in Iran. This is a short entry from wiki.

The Septembers of Shiraz is a debut novel by Iranian American author Dalia Sofer. It narrates the lives of a well-to-do Iranian family during and after the Iranian revolution which additionally overthrew the Shah and ushered in the Islamic republic. There is also a subplot involving a Hasidic family in New York. Wikipedia
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There has been nothing but vilification coming in the direction of Iran for the past 20 years.
I’m also old enough to remember The Shah and his SAVAK. Also familiar with the Iranian diaspora in California, some who still hope to put the son on the throne. Certainly, people can hold an opinion, but when it veers into the illogical conspiratorial, should we just nod along?

That vid has received an airing on various TV channels. Sort of reminds me of the happy Iraqis tearing down Saddam’s statue.

Bottom line is youre 100% correct

Iran Palestine etc have been vilified by the West for decades whilst the most vile criminal regime on this planet in Tel Aviv is supported and feted by US//UK

Its pointless at times trying to highlight the fact that across the globe millions more have died at the direct hands or support of the US criminal regime than any small nation like Iran

Indeed their supporters panic at this truth and describe highlighting these facts as deflection or whataboutery!

Such claims themselves show the weakness in their position as if you challenge them as to which regime on the planet is responsible for most death and destruction around the globe žn past 5 decades they shy away from the FACT that its the Zionist enabling US

I salute the Iranians in standing firm against the regimes in Tel Aviv and Washington and their defiance and will should be an example to others to face down bullying imperialism led by a psychopathic extremist

My only criticism of the peoples govt in Tehran re the endless accusations of nuclear weapons is- if you have the biggy please disaarm and get rid of it by landing it on Nazi Tel Aviv
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One Iranian regime public hanging the other a Saudi hanging

Can't tell the difference equally repulsive as is the reasons given for the public executions of their own citizens as per Amnesty Intel..... that plus the stonings and public beheadings they both participate in . .... but one regime that does this is to be "saluted" and defended by some it seems because of their political stance ,to hell with human rights ...... IMHO both should be condemned outright no political stance gives them a pass to abuse their own citizens.

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I fail to understand the sickos that want to witness such atrocities

Even the Coliseum lost favor 1500 years ago.
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Trumps reason's for nearly taking us into another illegal war are just lies.................. failing to justify its targeted killing of Quds Force Leader.

First it was to "stop a war" then it was Soleimani posed an "imminent threat" due to an planned attack on a US embassy ,then it was an attack on four US Embassy in various countries.. but after an insubstantial briefings by Trumps Admin to both the Democrats and his own Republicans....he has dialed it back

"Trump says it doesn't matter if Soleimani posed an imminent threat"




In this report he downplayed the significance of any imminent threat to the U.S. before he ordered the strike that killed Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani, raising new questions about the intelligence preceding the move.

The comments marked the latest revision in what’s become a shifting explanation about the threat Soleimani posed to U.S. personnel in the Middle East. Over the weekend, some of Trump’s top advisers were unable to confirm his claim that Soleimani was planning to target four U.S. embassies.

The episode has prompted renewed scrutiny of the Jan. 3 strike that nearly set off a wider conflict in the Middle East.

“This administration already has a credibility problem, and President Trump has a pretty casual relationship with the truth,” said William Inboden, who served on former President George W. Bush’s National Security Council. “So even when he does what I would regard as the right thing or a good policy decision with Soleimani, he then hurts himself and widens the credibility gap with these shifting explanations.”

Trump authorized the strike just days after an Iranian-backed militia group launched a rocket attack in Iraq that killed an American contractor and wounded U.S. personnel. It also came after a violent assault by Iran-backed protesters on the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad.

The drone strike was widely cheered by Republicans, who argued it was long overdue given Soleimani’s actions as head of Iran’s Quds Force, a designated terrorist organization. He had also been blamed for the deaths of hundreds of American service members in the Middle East.

Trump administration officials characterized the strike as a defensive measure, meant to fend off imminent attacks by Iran on U.S. facilities.

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...mminent-threat


And his retaliation towards the Democrats and their leaders for putting a bill before the Senate to limit his Presidential war powers, without Senate oversight ...... was a response tweet from a six year old rather than a President, not only insult to the Democrat leaders putting them in a hijab and Turban but racist to the Iranian people ....


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I always thought it would be premature to jump to the conclusion that Iran shot down the Ukrainian airline based solely on their admission that they did it.
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