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Old 27th June 2020, 00:49   #51 (permalink)
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By all means rephrase to say 'controls', but it doesn't change the fact that the people who live there now have no free say about their own future.They are being DICTATED to.

Perhaps you will suggest that they leave, move to another country or area.
How would you react if I suggested that people who are not happy with the status quo in UK find somewhere else to live? I can just hear the outcry from the BLM/BAME corners of the land.
Obviously, you are just wrong:
Washington Post : "Six years and $20 billion in Russian investment later, Crimeans are happy with Russian annexation"

Taylor Francis Online: " The following day, local election authorities announced that 96.77% of the recorded vote, from a reported electorate turnout of 83.1%, favored joining Russia. The people of Crimea, it seemed, had spoken with a near unanimous voice. They wanted their peninsula of Crimea to break from Ukraine and to join the Russian Federation. On that same day, the Crimean Supreme Council declared the peninsula’s independence from Ukraine. This cleared the way for the Russian Federation to initiate the process of formally admitting Crimea as a republic and the city of Sevastopol as a federal district into the Russian Federation on 18 March 2014."

Carnegie Europe: "About half of the respondents admit to having been taken by surprise by Russia’s actions in 2014. Interestingly, there is agreement among the Crimean population, including the Crimean Tatars, that successive Ukrainian governments had neglected the region. Roughly one third of respondents pointed to this neglect as the main cause of the developments in 2014."

Frankly, I could select from dozens of surveys and articles, all saying the same thing. My guess is that you will struggle to find inside-Crimea support
for your position. They obviously love being part of Russia, just as Gibraltar does not want to be part of Spain, or Falkland Islands reject Argentina. The people have spoken!

I, on the other hand, was just asking about a visa. Putting the question in the largely ignored/dead/irrelevant Ukraine thread was obviously a mistake, because I now see Ukraine has nothing to do with what goes on in Crimea. I think I will start another thread on that happy place, Russia, and its newest district of Crimea.

By the way, I read that Yalta is a good destination.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...an-annexation/

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...6.2019.1593873

https://carnegieeurope.eu/strategiceurope/74635
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Old 27th June 2020, 08:27   #52 (permalink)
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The average pension in Crimea has dropped from $245 pm to $180 pm while many prices have doubled. Why indeed should Crimeans not be happy?

As to polls if I were Crimean I would also say that I was grateful to Russian for rescuing me from the ‘fascist menace in Kiev’ – rather a lie than imprisonment, torture or worse.

As to Tartars being happy with annexation it is those very people that have been brutally persecuted.by the occupying forces. Obviously they enjoy persecution!

And 96.77% of referendum participants voted for annexation? The leader board shot up to over 110% before speedy adjustment! Any rats smelt there? Probably not.

$20 billion in Russian investment? Could be true but on building a bridge and stationing troops.

But by all means do holiday in Crimea. The hotels are empty & Putin is offering financial incentives for people to go there. As a Russophile yourself you should apply.

You could certainly start a thread on the Crimean Utopia but I think you might do better with how the Palestians rejoice under Israeli occupation.
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Obviously, you are just wrong:
Washington Post : "Six years and $20 billion in Russian investment later, Crimeans are happy with Russian annexation"…

My guess is that you will struggle to find inside-Crimea support for your position.

They obviously love being part of Russia, just as Gibraltar does not want to be part of Spain, or Falkland Islands reject Argentina.

Try reading the United Nations link below.

The people have spoken!

The people aren’t allowed to speak!

I, on the other hand, was just asking about a visa. Putting the question in the largely ignored/dead/irrelevant Ukraine thread was obviously a mistake, because I now see Ukraine has nothing to do with what goes on in Crimea.

Why is the Russian invasion of a free European country irrelevant?

Your Russophile attitude is well apparent.


I think I will start another thread on that happy place, Russia, and its newest district of Crimea.

Can’t wait

By the way, I read that Yalta is a good destination.

Only according to Pravda - Crimea is desperate for tourists, your sort would fit in well there.


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If you suffer from cognitive dissonance, Russophilia and false preconceived notions so the side effects of reading this article may include, but are not limited to denial of evidence presented and depression from realizing that your whole life is a lie.

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UN report details grave human rights violations in Russian-occupied Crimea

GENEVA (25 September 2017) – The human rights situation in Crimea* has significantly deteriorated under Russian occupation, with “multiple and grave violations” committed by Russian state agents, according to a landmark report by the UN Human Rights Office published today.

“Grave human rights violations, such as arbitrary arrests and detentions, enforced disappearances, ill-treatment and torture, and at least one extra-judicial execution were documented,” the report** says.

It reiterates that all residents of Crimea were affected when Ukrainian laws were substituted by those of the Russian Federation, and tens of thousands impacted by the imposition of Russian Federation citizenship. These and other actions highlighted in the report have taken place in violation of international humanitarian and human rights law.

The report makes 20 recommendations to the Russian Government, urging it to respect its obligations as an occupying power, uphold human rights for all, and effectively investigate alleged torture, abductions and killings involving members of the security forces and Crimean self-defence…

“As the report states, imposing citizenship on the inhabitants of an occupied territory can be equated to compelling them to swear allegiance to a power they may consider as hostile, which is forbidden under the Fourth Geneva Convention,” Zeid added.

Hundreds of prisoners and pre-trial detainees have been transferred to the Russian Federation, the report says, despite the practice being strictly prohibited by international humanitarian law.

The detainees include Ukrainian filmmaker Oleh Sientsov, arrested in Simferopol in May 2014 and transferred to the Russian Federation the same month, before being convicted and incarcerated in a high-security penal colony in Siberia.

Some detainees were ill-treated, and at least three died after they did not receive the medical care they needed, the report says…

https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/...x?NewsID=22140
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Not much hope of change either with Pustulin voted in for perpetuity.
So sorry for the people who just want a quiet decent life.
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Ukrainian and American experts, as well as the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry, warned that under the pretext of holding strategic exercises Kavkaz 2020, Russia may resort to a large-scale offensive against Ukraine.

The other day, the Russian president signed a decree on conscription from the reserve "for military training" - without specific dates for this training. This only increased the likelihood of an offensive – behind the decree may be the attempt of the Russian leadership to conduct a covert mass mobilization for military aggression.

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🔵 Russia has beefed up its military units on Ukraine’s eastern and southern borders, Ukrinform, Ukraine’s state-owned news agency details in a 1,500-word report circulating widely this week in Kyiv. “Three joint task forces have already been created in the vicinity of the Ukrainian state border, which are capable of carrying out sudden offensive operations on the territory of Ukraine,” Vasyl Korotkyi writes from Vienna, citing a briefing last Wednesday by Ukrainian Armed Forces Lt. Gen. Leonid Holopatiuk a meeting of the OSCE Forum for Security Cooperation.

🔵 With Washington distracted by the lead up to Nov. 3 vote and President Putin bolstered by his referendum ‘victory’ last week, analysts fear that Putin will follow the Caucasus 2020 exercises in September with serious military attacks on Ukraine. The weeklong exercises will be in Crimea and in Kapustin Yar, Astrakhan oblast, a 10-hour drive from Donetsk. In 2008, Russian forces attacked Georgia on Aug. 7, five days after the conclusion of Caucasus 2008 exercises.

🔵 The Kremlin’s military goals would be three-fold. One Russian armed unit would drive north out Armyansk, Crimea, 80 km north to Nova Khakova, on the Dnipro River. The goal would be to restore water flows to the Soviet-era North Crimean Canal. A second unit would drive north to occupy Zaporizhia to control the oblast that supplies one quarter of Ukraine’s electricity – nuclear, coal, wind and solar.

🔵 A third, cross border movement could move out of Russian bases in Kursk and Smolensk to take Sumy. This move would split Ukrainian defenses, would threaten Kyiv, a 5-hour drive to the west, and would send a warning to Belarus in the event of turmoil after the Aug. 9 presidential vote.

🔵 Ukrinform lists Russian military strength on Ukraine’s eastern border: 87,000 troops, 1,100 tanks and 2,600 armored personnel carriers. In Russia-controlled Crimea and Donbas, there another 70,000 Russian soldiers, 500 tanks, and 1,100 armored personnel carriers.
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An interesting collection of Ukraine stamps commemorating resistance to Russian oppression...

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Not actual postage stamps but what are known as cinderellas. Still carries a message though.
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🔵 Today in Paris, international experts are to start reading the black box from the UIA passenger jet shot down outside Tehran airport on Jan. 8 by Iranian surface to air missiles, Mohsen Baharvand, an aide to Iran’s foreign minister, tells ILNA news agency. All 176 people on board were killed. The flight recorder for the Boeing jet arrived in Paris Friday. Iran blamed the six-month delay in sending the box to coronavirus travel disruptions.
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Another August surprise: What is Putin up to in Ukraine?

As the coronavirus pandemic and growing economic hardship affect both Russia and Ukraine, and as the United States is absorbed with the pandemic, protests and the approaching Presidential election, some experts fear the Kremlin may launch a new strike against Ukraine in the late summer. Possible targets include Mariupol and the canal near Kherson.

Moscow has been building bases on its border with Ukraine for years and the current strength of the Russian Armed Forces along that border speaks for itself: an estimated 87,000 Russian military personnel and over 5,000 Russian tanks, armored vehicles, and heavy weapons system.

As Kremlin military officials reorganize and restructure neighboring Russian forces, questions remain as to what Putin’s plans are for Ukraine in the near future. Has the Kremlin’s military posture in the region changed? How can Ukraine and the West best prepare for further Russian aggression, and how worried should they be?...

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