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Old 23rd June 2020, 00:07   #21 (permalink)
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Keir Starmer has sought Labour unity, but he will soon have to challenge the Corbyn legacy.

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The memory of his predecessor as party leader will take years to erase. Expect a Clause IV moment.

Losing, losing, losing. Is that what Labour does best? A brutal 154-page analysis by a panel of Labour heavyweights has just laid out the rugged path ahead if it’s to win next time after four election defeats. To take 124 more seats – after crashing to the party’s worst result since 1935 – needs a gigantic 7.9% swing from voters and non-voters of every class, age, town, city and region. The odds look shocking.
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It may not need the Labour Party to bring down this Government, the Tories are pretty good at bloodletting themselves, both in Leader and policy ...

Some may not familiar with the 1922 Committee but they play a crucial role in ousting Prime Ministers who have lost the confidence of their party.

And already there is Tory concerns from that quarter, on the way the government is handling the crisis with it being aired at the recent meeting of the executive of the 1922 committee of Conservative backbenchers.

Senior MPs were furious that No 10 keeps blundering on, while refusing to listen to advice offered by them on how to avoid more disasters and U turns.

We also have also the new Northern MP's unhappy, having followed Whip advice against their own better judgement, (due to many low income families in their areas) coming out to defend the Party line on No to free school meals , only later to be thrown under the bus with another of Boris's U turns.....

If we didn't have enough of a down turn to economy and employment due to covid and the terrible handling of this crisis ...We still have coming down the track unfortunate the inevitable hit to the economy and reams of new bureaucracy that comes with setting up of mirror EU agencies that we will have left... all to come out in the wash .... in what seems to be a coming No Deal Brexit....

After that, any alternative will look attractive, especially so, one that looks
as competent as Starmer is now looking to the public ....

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Old 23rd June 2020, 11:22   #22 (permalink)
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It may not need the Labour Party to bring down this Government the Tories are pretty good at bloodletting themselves, both in Leader and policy ...

Some may not familiar with the 1922 Committee but they play a crucial role in ousting Prime Ministers who have lost the confidence of their party.

And already there is Tory concerns from that quarter, on the way the government is handling the crisis with it being aired at the recent meeting of the executive of the 1922 committee of Conservative backbenchers.

Senior MPs were furious that No 10 keeps blundering on, while refusing to listen to advice offered by them on how to avoid more disasters and U turns.

We also have also the new Northern MP's unhappy, having followed Whip advice against their own better judgement, (due to many low income families in their areas) coming out to defend the Party line on No to free school meals , only later to be thrown under the bus with another of Boris's U turns.....

If we didn't have enough of a down turn to economy and employment due to covid and the terrible handling of this crisis ...We still have coming down the track unfortunate the inevitable hit to the economy and reams of new bureaucracy that comes with setting up of mirror EU agencies that we will have left... all to come out in the wash .... in what seems to be a coming No Deal Brexit....

After that, any alternative will look attractive, especially so, one that looks
as competent as Starmer is now looking to the public ....
This thread is about Labour going forward and yet again you can only talk Tory.
Shows how little Labour have really achieved since December.
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This thread is about Labour going forward and yet again you can only talk Tory.
Shows how little Labour have really achieved since December.
How much realistically can they achieve since December? The saying may go that "a week is a long time in politics" but it isn't and there's been a pandemic on the go.

How about starting to hold the government to account for its handling of the Corona Virus? Providing an opposition is a good start.
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Moving on from JC is a good start too.
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This thread is about Labour going forward and yet again you can only talk Tory.
Shows how little Labour have really achieved since December.
The use. of "not thread material" tactic sometimes used when unable to counter ,or they prefer the thread just to be for anti Labour proganda.

I would have thought the condition of the Party you oppose has a some effect on how "Labour goes foreword" ... So a valid for debate..

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The use. of "not thread material" tactic sometimes used when unable to counter ,or they prefer the thread just to be for anti Labour proganda.

I would have thought the condition of the Party you oppose has a some effect on how "Labour goes foreword" ... So a valid for debate..
Did you bother to read the article?

It relates to Labour and the internal problems of the party.

So 'deflection', seems to be quite an appropriate analogy of your reply.
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This thread is about Labour going forward and yet again you can only talk Tory.
Shows how little Labour have really achieved since December.
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The use. of "not thread material" tactic sometimes used when unable to counter ,or they prefer the thread just to be for anti Labour propaganda.
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Did you bother to read the article?

It relates to Labour and the internal problems of the party.

So 'unable to counter', as you put it, seems to be quite an appropriate analogy of your reply.
I was answering your second post reference .."thread" ..... to quote Tenpin "This thread ( not article ) is about Labour going forward and yet again you can only talk Tory"

I has already answered your first post, but you didn't like me mentioning the state of Labour's opposition the Tories, and its history of self destruct when things are going badly. Which would be an integral and vital part to any Labour Parties chances of gaining power ,internal problems or not .....

I also answered by saying ..... After ( meaning Tory bloodletting ) , "any alternative will look attractive, especially so, one that looks
as competent as Starmer is now looking to the public "


And that's exactly as you can see in the Public eye quite they see .... The new Labour leader enjoys a net approval rating of 21 per cent – 20 per cent more than the 1 per cent net approval recorded for Boris Johnson in this month’s New Statesman poll by Redfield and Wilton Strategies.

Those who approve of Starmer’s performance include more than one in four – 26 per cent – of 2019 Conservative voters, 31 per cent of whom disapprove of his performance.

Among Labour voters, meanwhile, he enjoys a towering net approval rating of 54 per cent, with 61 per cent approving and only seven per cent disapproving of his performance.

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Deary me, Kier disingenuous..... lol. Well he's certainly good at pulling the wool over his sheeple's eyes, but that's about all he's capable of doing...……….

"Robbie Gibb tells
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was given a document for Labour to agree to.

Starmer said it was a total disaster.

Turns out it was cut & paste from Keir's OWN document.

Keir "disingenuious" Starmer"

https://twitter.com/addicted2newz/st...79961627049984
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Latest UK Voting Intention (18 June)


here was also a slight negative change in Labour Leader Keir Starmerís approval rating, which currently stands at +18% net approval, compared to +21% net approval last week. Similar to last week, around a third of respondents (33-37%) neither approve nor disapprove of Starmerís job performance, which is most likely a reflection of the limited time he has been in office.

Compared to last week, Boris Johnson still maintains a 12% lead over Keir Starmer in a straight contest as to whom respondents would prefer as Prime Minister.[1]

We also asked respondents whether they thought Boris Johnson or Rishi Sunak would be a better Prime Minister for the United Kingdom at this moment. The results were that 37% selected Boris Johnson and 30% selected Rishi Sunak in a straight contest over who would be a better Prime Minister for the present moment.

https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies....ntion-18-june/
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Remind me what was the swing in votes from when JC nearly toppled the tory party in his first election to the disaster of his second election?

So saying it cant happen is utter rubbish


The chance of genuinely different government to the same old same old we have put up with for decades with the occasional high lights of Thatcher and the Alt Right Tony Blair periods, has been rejected.

The public blaim the government for everything but they are not serious about looking at alternatives

Stammer is yet another centre right labour leader whos offering the same old same old and as such hes a possable contender to win the next election.
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