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Old 2nd May 2020, 08:14   #21 (permalink)
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Re: Starmer' - Labour - What now?

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The mans an unapologetic zionist
What would you expect of his type
Whats wrong with being a Zionist?

I would hope most of us are Zionists

Isn't the very essence of being anti-Semitic, being anti Zionist?
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Youve lost me Chasey

Zionists are basically Jewish supremacists

No better than nazis, ironically
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Zionists are basically Jewish supremacists

No better than nazis, ironically

In what dictionary????

Zionist
[ˈzʌɪənɪst]
NOUN
a supporter of Zionism; a person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel.
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Exactly

Occupying someone elses land

Treating them in worse than apartheid fasion

Decades of ethnic cleansing etc etc

Its oft said the oppressed learn from their tormentors- zionists learnt well from the reich

They believe they are chosen people/ master race
They believe Palestinians have no rights- untermenchen
They believe the theft of Palestine is bestowed to them by their god to expand their territory- liebensraum
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The vast majority of the worlds Jewry are not Zionists , not even in Israel is Zionism dominant within the secular , Arab , or modern Jews , if the worlds Jewry were , they would live in Israel , the basic tenet of Zionism is living within the state .

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Re: Starmer' - Labour - What now?

Zionists are simply extremist haters and a mirror image of the extremist Isis types of a different religion

They believe that they have a god given right to occupy a land and treat its original inhabitants as sub human

Its absolutely no wonder every extremist right wing crank across the globe from US white supremacists to the new exreme right in Germany holds up Zionism as their posterboy

Most jews despise Zionists just as most muslims are not ISIS fans

Zionism is based on hate divison and superiority over non extremists- basically Zionists are fascists

https://www.theguardian.com/news/201...is-antisemitic
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Exactly

Occupying someone elses land

Treating them in worse than apartheid fasion

Decades of ethnic cleansing etc etc

Its oft said the oppressed learn from their tormentors- zionists learnt well from the reich

They believe they are chosen people/ master race
They believe Palestinians have no rights- untermenchen
They believe the theft of Palestine is bestowed to them by their god to expand their territory- liebensraum


Sorry, I don't see the issue as any different from many territorial disputes in terms of land grab by both sides. We could discuss a multitude of such disputed territories. The difference with Israel is it's providing a nation-state for a dispossessed people.

Whilst pretty much all governments agree on the fact the settlements are illegal under international law, they do nothing for this reason.

Whilst most "occupied territories" around the world have begrudgingly made it work, the Muslim v Jew battle is still beyond resolution in 2020

The problem with the removal of Jewish control in Israel is there's no viable alternative.

The much-disputed Gaza strip and the West bank are strategically critical to prevent incursion into Israel and effectively cutting it in half.

It's an unsolvable problem as long as Muslims and Jews follow extremist paths
which prevents coexistence.

As Starmer's wife and children are Jewish, it would seem obvious he would share this view.
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Exactly

Occupying someone elses land

Treating them in worse than apartheid fasion

Decades of ethnic cleansing etc etc

Its oft said the oppressed learn from their tormentors- zionists learnt well from the reich

They believe they are chosen people/ master race
They believe Palestinians have no rights- untermenchen
They believe the theft of Palestine is bestowed to them by their god to expand their territory- liebensraum

Ahhh I see you'r lumping in people who believe the Jews deserve a protected homeland with the extremists who just hate Muslims? I have no truck with any form of extremist and religious ones are my least favorite

I dont think Zionist is the correct word for those people

I believe the jews deserve a homeland but I follow the original intent of the Balfour Declaration
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Well all I will say to those who believe that they have a god given right to steal land and impose their will on others based solely on their own age old beliefs and documented in what they believe is written authority in the manuscripts of their faith - I assume you also agree with Isis!!

Lets get real

No one should care or object to who believes in whatever- god santa easter bunny- all equally valid and your right to believe or not

However where it gets dangerous and totally unacceptable is when those who believe in an ideology/ religion claim it gives them a right over others be it in stealing land to set up a country or how they treat others outside of their own " faith"

Zionism is extremist quasi religious fascism
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Well all I will say to those who believe that they have a god given right to steal land and impose their will on others based solely on their own age old beliefs and documented in what they believe is written authority in the manuscripts of their faith - I assume you also agree with Isis!!

Lets get real

No one should care or object to who believes in whatever- god santa easter bunny- all equally valid and your right to believe or not

However where it gets dangerous and totally unacceptable is when those who believe in an ideology/ religion claim it gives them a right over others be it in stealing land to set up a country or how they treat others outside of their own " faith"

Zionism is extremist quasi religious fascism
LOL shall we start with the Crusades or dive straight in on USA and Australia
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