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Old 21st May 2020, 13:11   #11 (permalink)
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Warfare is changing, I think that there will be a lot of sneaky cyber attacks in future where sophisticated countries with a complex infrastructure come under attack, unlike the 'bomb to hell and back' warfare of Syria etc.
So true. 50 years ago you would have been happy to sit in a tank, now you would be a sitting duck. Although you need boots on the ground, the modern war is very different, and if you keep your eye on the modern battlefield you see unmanned drones piloted from an air force base in America where the pilot goes home to his wife at the end of the shift. Weapons controlled by AI will be the main force, and the army that does not have that will lose. Modern warfare is very different to even 30 years ago

Case in point are the two aircraft carriers the navy is saddled with. Watch the Americans present their carriers as part of a Carrier Group, including a dozen support ships; UK does not have the ships to protect one of those ships. The result is that a UK carrier could not leave port because it would be too vulnerable. This is old-man's war thinking.

EUs so-called army is already heading down the track of past wars, where they want more tanks, more flags, more parades.

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Old 21st May 2020, 13:29   #12 (permalink)
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if you keep your eye on the modern battlefield you see unmanned drones piloted from an air force base in America where the pilot goes home to his wife at the end of the shift.
And those American bases are manned by a lot of British RAF personnel.
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Re: Does Europe Need An Army?

The youth of today are a bit more on the ball, they now have details at their finger tips. They know what its about, nicking forcibly off others for the sake of business.
Your only safe if you've got nothing underground that's required/needed/valuable.

Its phase two in this life, there's money in arms & weaponry, the bottoms fell out of the auto industry.
I do wonder though, even with an EU army who they would be capable of taking on, China, Russia, US...…….I think they would struggle to even take on Turkey myself.
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Re: Does Europe Need An Army?

EU Army outrage: Shock claim military unit could 'liberate' Brussels from US revealed
AN EU Army would liberate Europe from the US and NATO influence, a researcher in European politics shockingly claimed in a throwback report.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-us-ve-day-spt
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EU Army outrage: Shock claim military unit could 'liberate' Brussels from US revealed
AN EU Army would liberate Europe from the US and NATO influence, a researcher in European politics shockingly claimed in a throwback report.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-us-ve-day-spt
Let them get on with it, it will not concern us. Who knows it might even be a success lol someone might ask where the money will come from, every country is broke.

https://www.politico.eu/article/laga...to-12-percent/
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Why does the EU need an army. Who has ever attacked them?
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Why does the EU need an army. Who has ever attacked them?
Themselves…..

But hang on, we have been told several times it was BS about an EU army.
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Why does the EU need an army. Who has ever attacked them?

Conscription would go some way to solve EU unemployment especially the under 25's

Youth unemployment
In March 2020, 2.763 million young persons (under 25) were unemployed in the EU, of whom 2.275 million were in
the euro area. In March 2020, the youth unemployment rate was 15.2% in the EU and 15.8% in the euro area, up
from 14.8% and 15.4% respectively in the previous month. Compared with February 2020, youth unemployment
increased by 59 000 in the EU and by 52 000 in the euro area

Euro area unemployment at 7.4%
EU at 6.6%
In March 2020, the month when COVID-19 containment measures began to be widely introduced by Member
States, the euro area seasonally-adjusted unemployment rate was 7.4%, up from 7.3% in February 2020. The EU
unemployment rate was 6.6% in March 2020, up from 6.5% in February 2020. These figures are published by
Eurostat, the statistical office of the European Union.
Eurostat estimates that 14.141 million men and women in the EU, of whom 12.156 million in the euro area, were
unemployed in March 2020. Compared with February 2020, the number of persons unemployed increased by
241 000 in the EU and by 197 000 in the euro area

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/docume...f-35325c84f56e
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The Question is why is it Brextremists care they are out, nothing to do with them....you/we will have enough on our plate with the fallout from Brexit and the Pandemic they will blame it on.....
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Re: Does Europe Need An Army?

The UK has held back the EU and now we have left and stopped being a pain in their arse I see it is highly likely closer union and the military union will follow. Why not? they are currently being pushed about by a USA led Nato alliance and why should they? They have the capability of a combined force equal to any superpower, they are already necular capable, would it not be the obvious next step?

Sadly I am not sure it will happen

The problem is that the governments work in alliance with the military and the leaders of the military are independently powerful people who are unlikely to wish to concede that power to anyone else.

I can see many more years of cementing the EU before a single EU army becomes possible. For now closer harmony and more joined-up thinking is about the best they can hope for
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